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To: Gondring

"And you think the Communist Party of the USSR didn't want to destroy us unless we converted,"

Yes they did.

"and they had nukes."

and...

"We've faced enemies before, and being strongly united against them is best, not attacking our own freedoms."

We are not attacking our OWN freedoms. We are preventing THEM from attacking OUR freedoms and imposing THEIR will, values, religion, and oppressive culture on US.

To do this, we must make sure that not to many Muslims get into our country, otherwise they will democratically take us over using the voting booth.

Islam is the antithesis of American values. Muslim values like the oppression of women, the mistreatment of non-believers, etc, are the OPPOSITE of American values. If we let too many people who beioeve in Islamic values into our country, we will lose our identity, and our freedom, when they force-convert us to Islam.

"and hey, what about this...Exodus 22:20--"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

I dont know if that's a real Bible passage, I'm not going to look it up, but even if it is real, remember, NO Christians are trying to carry this out.

But the Muslims ARE carrying out the violent acts mentioned in the Koran.

Thats a huge differnce between us and them.

And I'm not going to argue Bible quotes with you. The Bible has parts that talk of war, and of God helping his people in war, but nowhere in the Bible does it tell Christians to kill all non-Christians.

In the Quran, it tells Muslims to kill all nonmuslims.

"Bottom line is that any text can be twisted, and dueling texts aren't the point."

You havent mentioned any of the other points I made in my posts.




853 posted on 01/04/2005 4:29:04 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Nesher
We are not attacking our OWN freedoms.

Oh, really?

This story was about CBP officers violating regulations when dealing with NATIVE-BORN AMERICAN CITIZENS. If they didn't violate regulations, it means they had to meet a standard of evidence or reason to believe one of these citizens was trying to enter illegally. What was that reason--is it so wrong to ask, or so hard to answer? When a cop pulls over someone, they can't just do it without being able to give a SPECIFIC reason. That's what I'm asking for.

Otherwise, they have no right to require fingerprints from US Citizens, nor claim it was a random search.

To do this, we must make sure that not to many Muslims get into our country, otherwise they will democratically take us over using the voting booth.

Part of the beauty of having a Constitutional Republic is to limit the effect of those who would do this. So tell me why weakening our Constitution will HELP us!

And would you suggest manditory population control on those who are already here? How about preventing conversion of beliefs--as I mentioned, there are more converts to Islam in America each day.

And I'm not going to argue Bible quotes with you.

I have no intention of doing so, since the Bible I have teaches that we are to trust in God, that the real God will win over the false god of Islam, and that we are not supposed to give in to fear.

In fact, I don't see anywhere that Jesus teaches anything but coexistence with non-believers. And if you go to the Old Testament, it teaches you should kill the non-believers in your cities. hmmm...

You havent mentioned any of the other points I made in my posts.

I thought I addressed all your points in my reply, in toto, if not line by line.

Not all Muslims are our enemy. The peace loving ones who do not want to impose their values and culture on us can be our allies.

I agree.

But the religion of Islam IS our enemy.

Some would say you can't separate the two. And how do you tell a "true Muslim" from one who isn't. I guess I'm asking for you to clarify exactly what you think the solution is.

856 posted on 01/04/2005 4:48:57 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Nesher
I dont know if that's a real Bible passage, I'm not going to look it up...

Then just click here: Exodus 22:20 (Biblegateway.com)

859 posted on 01/04/2005 4:57:01 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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