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To: Nesher
We are not attacking our OWN freedoms.

Oh, really?

This story was about CBP officers violating regulations when dealing with NATIVE-BORN AMERICAN CITIZENS. If they didn't violate regulations, it means they had to meet a standard of evidence or reason to believe one of these citizens was trying to enter illegally. What was that reason--is it so wrong to ask, or so hard to answer? When a cop pulls over someone, they can't just do it without being able to give a SPECIFIC reason. That's what I'm asking for.

Otherwise, they have no right to require fingerprints from US Citizens, nor claim it was a random search.

To do this, we must make sure that not to many Muslims get into our country, otherwise they will democratically take us over using the voting booth.

Part of the beauty of having a Constitutional Republic is to limit the effect of those who would do this. So tell me why weakening our Constitution will HELP us!

And would you suggest manditory population control on those who are already here? How about preventing conversion of beliefs--as I mentioned, there are more converts to Islam in America each day.

And I'm not going to argue Bible quotes with you.

I have no intention of doing so, since the Bible I have teaches that we are to trust in God, that the real God will win over the false god of Islam, and that we are not supposed to give in to fear.

In fact, I don't see anywhere that Jesus teaches anything but coexistence with non-believers. And if you go to the Old Testament, it teaches you should kill the non-believers in your cities. hmmm...

You havent mentioned any of the other points I made in my posts.

I thought I addressed all your points in my reply, in toto, if not line by line.

Not all Muslims are our enemy. The peace loving ones who do not want to impose their values and culture on us can be our allies.

I agree.

But the religion of Islam IS our enemy.

Some would say you can't separate the two. And how do you tell a "true Muslim" from one who isn't. I guess I'm asking for you to clarify exactly what you think the solution is.

856 posted on 01/04/2005 4:48:57 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Gondring

"Oh, really?

This story was about CBP officers violating regulations when dealing with NATIVE-BORN AMERICAN CITIZENS. If they didn't violate regulations, it means they had to meet a standard of evidence or reason to believe one of these citizens was trying to enter illegally."

They are muslims. That is a standard enough.

Better to be safe and inconvenience the Muzeelems than to be sorry and have said Muzylems blow up the George Washington Bridge.

"When a cop pulls over someone, they can't just do it without being able to give a SPECIFIC reason. That's what I'm asking for."

The cop can say: You are a suspicious looking Muslim. You cant get more specific than that. If it seems like racial profiling, remember, Christians, Jews, and Hindus didnt crash planes into the Twin Towers. Muslims did. It's better to be safe than sorry.

I'm NOT saying cops should harass Muslims or stop them JUST b/c they are Muslim. But if there is a suspicious looking one, better to be safe and stop them.


"Part of the beauty of having a Constitutional Republic is to limit the effect of those who would do this. So tell me why weakening our Constitution will HELP us!"

we are not weakening it. We are defending ourselves against the Forces of Darkness (the terrorists). The Muslims will still not be held without trial or anything. Detaining suspicious people for a few hours isnt unreasonable.

"Some would say you can't separate the two. And how do you tell a "true Muslim" from one who isn't. I guess I'm asking for you to clarify exactly what you think the solution is."

We need to prevent the Muslims from taking over our society and destroying our identity, replacing it with an Islamic one.

You asked me for the solution:

1. Arrest Muslims who openly condone, incite, and support terrorism. Deport them. This wont violate the Constitution because these activities are calling for the destruction of the US.

2. Dont let any more Muslims into the US.

3. Get the ones who are here to assimilate.


864 posted on 01/04/2005 5:36:06 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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