Posted on 12/30/2004 2:08:16 PM PST by Marine Inspector
Carloads of Muslim New Yorkers, all U.S. citizens, were detained for hours by federal agents after they returned from an Islamic convention held in Toronto over the weekend. A Pace University student said she was asked by a border patrol officer at the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge crossing whether the wire in her bra was a weapon. A white Flushing resident said U.S. officials refused to tell her why she was being held for eight hours.
"It's just appalling," said Jean Tassi, 53. "If I didn't have on a head covering, I would have never been stopped."
A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official said agents acted on intelligence that conventioneers may have terrorists in their cars.
"We understand that most of these conferences are legitimate, but it is our duty, it is incumbent on us to verify the identity of everybody entering the U.S. - even citizens," said Kristi Clemens, a Washington spokeswoman. "I understand their frustration."
More than 30 people had attended "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" convention at the Skydome that was billed as a spiritually uplifting event.
"I refuse to be treated like this in my own country," said Miriam Soliman, 20, a Brooklyn-born finance major who said she was interrogated about her underwire bra.
I'm still wondering where all these Americans will be deported to, if they get their way!
Get used to it. The simple fact is that people whose women wear head coverings killed over 3000 people in NY on 9/11 and have demonstrated their humanity by engaging in the most inhumane acts - behadings, bombings of innocents, and other treachery. Until mulim/islamics as a culture denounce such tactics, just say I'm from Missouri.
Don't mean to be callous, but just think what would be the fallout if the situation were reversed.
My God, are you on some kind of medication? Should you be?
One has nothingto do with the other!The 9/11 monsters were committing their crimes in concert with each other as a planned act of war against this country, because they saw all of the non-Muslim world as the enemy, who do not deserve to live if they do not accept the way of the prophet.
Additionally Abdul, pick the 19 Christians if you want, it will take place over several years, the deaths and injured were SPECIFIC targets, and the number may have totaled a little more than 25, NOTNearly 3,000 dead and thousands more injured and Millions of dollars in property damage over a space of a few HOURS!
Are you wearing some type of protection when you're mixing your chemicals, because you are way off the wall.
When it comes to fingerprints, yes.
Photos are already on passports so what's the issue?
Also, I remember reading that post 9/11 black Americans supported profiling for terrorists. The frequent targets of profiling, for lesser reasons (crime is less than a terror attack, is it not?), supported it. Why? Common sense - it works.
Oho! You mean Christians, right?
But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God.
Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered disgraceth his head.
But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.
For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head.
1 Corinthians 11:3-6
But, you whine, "That just says when praying. It's different." So? Read this:
Pray without ceasing.
1 Thessalonians 5:17
Clearly, Christian women wear head coverings.
The "simple fact" is that a small group of terrorists performed the September 11th attacks. Tarring all Muslims with that brush is as wrong as tarring all white Americans for the chattel slavery we had in our past. That's liberal group-guilt thinking.
And, you're clearly not paying attention to the widespread condemnation of terrorism by Islamic religious leaders. The only leaders who get any press, though, are the ones sympathetic to the anti-American so-called mainstream media...
Chemist Geek, you should do some research on the Koran, Mohammad, and contemporary Islamic societies and their views of America, democracy, the principles upon which this nation was founded and the concept of a pluralist, secular state. You might learn something.
McVeigh was an abberration. Further, there are MANY people who have maintained that McVeigh had connections to Islamic elements in America.
The "Weathermen????" Now that's ancient history, and the Weathermen HARDLY equate to the magnitude of the menace threatening us now from the Islamic world.
As for as deporting Muslims, that's hardly un-American. In the past we rounded up the Japanese and American Indians and put them in concentration camps for FAR less cause than removing Muslims from our midst today.
There is no connection between whites today and slavery 100 years ago. That is an illogial anology to the situation under discussion here. There is an irrefutable connection between Islam and the Terrorism threatening western civilization today.
Muslim theology divides the world into two "Houses" the House of Peace - where Islamic theocracies control the population and "unbelievers" are relegated to a subordinate status (Dhimmitude) and/or persecuted, as the Copts in Egypt, the Christians in the southern Sudan and Nigeria, the Zoroastrians in Iran, the Chaldean Christians in Iraq, etc., etc. The other "House" is the House of War - which consists of the un-Islamicized portion of the world where Muslims are obligated to use force to convert non-Muslims.
Under Sharia Law, it is a capital offense to attempt to convert a Muslim to another faith, or for a Muslim to convert to another faith. Muslims treat their women like animals and their animals like inanimate objects. In every society where Islam predominates today, the population is sunk into poverty, oppression and a Medieval lofe style. Brutality, cruel and inhuman punishments, religious intolerance, are all the fruits of an Islamic society.
As for slavery, the Saudis "officially" ended it in the 1960's, but Islam permits and encourages the enslavement of non0Muslims and such occcurs as we communicate in the southern Sudan where Christians and Animists are enslaved, murdered and raped by Muslims, with the full approval of the Islamic clergy.
Islam is MORE than a religion, pal.
Its as much of a political lifestyle as Nazism or Fascism or Communism. As such, it is more properly termed a cult than a religion.
I think you should really read some books. Better yet, go to some Internet Sites set up by non-Muslims who actually converted from Islam to another religion. THEY know of what they speak, first hand.
There were 19 hijackers aboard the airplanes on September 11th. I'm sure I can come up with 19 Christians who've committed criminal acts using a religious justification. Abortion clinic bombers, murderers of doctors, that woman in Texas who dismembered her baby... Shall we then curse and revile Christianity? Of course not.
How can you, by any semblance of decency, compare the numbers that were slaughtered on 9/11 to the actions of a few sickos that murdered in the name of Christianity?
After the bombing of the Abortion clinics and murder of the abortion doctors, All branches of Christianity condemned those acts in the clearest possible terms. There was no justifying the murders to protect the innocent. Murder was, and is, murder.
I have never met encountered such bizzare reasoning anywhere that comes close to matching yours. You have done everything to defend the religion that openly seeks to destroy this country and her citizens. Where have you actually condemned the 19 for their actions?
RS, with whom I have more than enough disagreement, condones the killing of them (not here, but on the field of battle) Where have you at least said that?
Do you at least support the killing of those who would kill our people AND condemn the actions of those who perpetrated the 9/11 murder?
You disgust me.
Speak out, ZULU!
see my post 929
"And, you're clearly not paying attention to the widespread condemnation of terrorism by Islamic religious leaders."
OH?? Really?? Like who???
Maybe tht moderate Abbas fellow running for Arafat's position in the Palestinian area who has said he will protect and defend terrorists who kill Israeli civilians??
Or that nutjob in Iraq who called for enslavement of Coalition women captives?
"But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ: and the head of the woman is the man: and the head of Christ is God.
Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered disgraceth his head.
But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.
For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head."
I doubt if ANYBODY in the Christian world would interpret that passage in a literal sense.
"The "simple fact" is that a small group of terrorists performed the September 11th attacks."
That "small group of terrorists" had a lot of supporters and friends who were running the government in Afghanistan and collaborating with the ruler of Iraq and possibly Libya and other Islamic states.
Seen and enjoyed. I hear they're developing a "patch" for this thread, I'm getting one I think. (LOL)
It was wrong then, and you want to do it again. Huh. How does it go? "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"?
Under Sharia Law, it is a capital offense to attempt to convert a Muslim to another faith, or for a Muslim to convert to another faith.
Leaving Judiasm or Christianity is punishable by stoning to death. The quotes from the Bible proving this are posted earlier on this thread.
Muslims treat their women like animals and their animals like inanimate objects.
You've never met a Muslim, have you?
It is disgusting that you, a person who swore to support and defend the Constitution - at Great Mistakes? - would deny and disparage the First and Fifth Amendments, at least, and ignore President Bush's dictum that we are at war with terrorism, not Islam. Indeed, it is the terrorists' fervent dreams that the West would war against Islam, for that is their best hope for recruiting new terrorists.
The reasoning of the un-American religious bigots here is that which is bizarre - holding over a billion people responsible for the acts of 19.
When it comes to fingerprints, yes.
Photos are already on passports so what's the issue?
Also, I remember reading that post 9/11 black Americans supported profiling for terrorists. The frequent targets of profiling, for lesser reasons (crime is less than a terror attack, is it not?), supported it. Why? Common sense - it works.
Okay, I hope that you get the third degree anal probe next time you fly, or board a train, or whatever. See how much you like it. Or will you whine and cry about the "inconvenience" and violation of your privacy rights? Remember, if you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide, so cooperate!
Yeah, well, that's not stopping them. It's just so easy to hate something that they don't know anything about and is different.
"It was wrong then, and you want to do it again. Huh. How does it go? "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"?
What was done before was was wrong in my eyes, although I understand the dangers which motivated those actions.
I KNOW the threat facing us now from Muslims is FAR MORE dangerous than the threat posed by American Indians or Japanese citizens. Which is why I raised that example to refute your assertion that such actions were without precedence.
The definition of insanity is looking a fact in the face and pretending it doesn't exist.
"Leaving Judiasm or Christianity is punishable by stoning to death."
I can't recall reading ANYWHERE in the Bible that stoning was a punishment for leaving Christianity. Under Mosaic Law, stoning was a punishment for many crimes, but that was thousands of years ago. Israel does not even allow the death sentence except for Holocaust killers.
Stoning is called for in the Koran and people are regularly stoned, have their limbs amputated, etc, NOW and TODAY in Islamic states. And torture is a regular feature of Islamic justice.
"You've never met a Muslim, have you?"
I've met and seen too many of them in MY Country, thank you. But I know that American Law presently prevents their more egregious actions. Should they ever control the government here, I am certain we shall see Sharia Law re-enacted here, and control the government they will, as long as we permit them to increase in numbers here.
Take a visit to Saudi Arabia - if you can get in, or the Sudan, and then tell me about Muslims.
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