Posted on 12/30/2004 2:08:16 PM PST by Marine Inspector
Carloads of Muslim New Yorkers, all U.S. citizens, were detained for hours by federal agents after they returned from an Islamic convention held in Toronto over the weekend. A Pace University student said she was asked by a border patrol officer at the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge crossing whether the wire in her bra was a weapon. A white Flushing resident said U.S. officials refused to tell her why she was being held for eight hours.
"It's just appalling," said Jean Tassi, 53. "If I didn't have on a head covering, I would have never been stopped."
A U.S. Customs and Border Protection official said agents acted on intelligence that conventioneers may have terrorists in their cars.
"We understand that most of these conferences are legitimate, but it is our duty, it is incumbent on us to verify the identity of everybody entering the U.S. - even citizens," said Kristi Clemens, a Washington spokeswoman. "I understand their frustration."
More than 30 people had attended "Reviving the Islamic Spirit" convention at the Skydome that was billed as a spiritually uplifting event.
"I refuse to be treated like this in my own country," said Miriam Soliman, 20, a Brooklyn-born finance major who said she was interrogated about her underwire bra.
LOL (bitterly)
These are tough times, with the ID, fingerprinting and Photos, it will reduce the chance of random vigilantes taking the law, right or wrong, into their own hands in the name of Freedom. Do we just round up all those who do not fit a certain profile and execute them?
That's not the America I want, this is an imperfect world and therefore we will deal with imperfect solutions at times. The solutions can reach perfection if we all work together and focus about what the real enemy is: at this point in time it is the Islamofascists, and their enablers.
Choose your side.
"What do you FEAR about cooperating with the government if it is a way to get a grip on the terrorists?"
The same things the Founding Fathers feared when they built in the Bill of Rights.
"Do we just round up all those who do not fit a certain profile and execute them?"
That's what Bin Laden would like to happen, the loss of our rights are a good start for his fear mongering.
"at this point in time it is the Islamofascists, and their enablers."
His enablers are the ones attempting to cause divisions between our citizens. The ones who seed unfounded suspicions and fear.
Your response leaves a lot to be desired; the Founding Fathers would not have had a problem with it since many of them still believed in selling and owning human beings, and that women had no right to vote.
But that was 218 years ago, and times were different. To the British, Washington was a terrorist and could have been extradited under present law. Laws change with the times and are a product of their times.
I'm glad you know what UBL wants, but allowing these animals to walk around freely: getting driver's licenses and SSA cards however they can causes more harm and creates more fear than simply working with the government towards a common goal.
What ARE you afraid of?
What price are you willing to pay to preserve the security of the US? Are you going to let anyone else in your bunker?
Broadsword, help me. There's something I want to say that goes back to my original comments about PROVOCATION. Remember I used that word to describe what 'they' are trying to do to us? Well, it seems they have succeeded, we have been going back and forth on this thread for several days - without anyone touching upon the MOTIVE.
Recall how I tried to explain that islam needs to be able to claim OPPRESSION? ...before their clerics can issue a fatwa against us?
Now, let us ask ourselves, are muslims TRULY oppressed in the West? Not in my observation, they are not. They are able to practice their religion, and with the exception of France, the women may wear the hijab. So, they have little they can genuinely complain of, correct?
Does this freedom, the same freedoms we have, satisfy them? Evidently it does not. Why not?
Because this equality provides no foundation from which they can claim OPPRESSION.
They provoke because they want us to SINGLE THEM OUT and make special laws against them!
Remember the prophecy; The End Times, when every muslim in the world is oppressed, they will rise up and destroy us?
How can islam even dream of this prophecy being fulfilled if we allow them to live in our countries as equal citizens?
I am beginning to understand why we must change nothing. If we do, we are falling straight into their plans. I know it's tough...but those who would harm us must be treated as the criminals they are, and taken care of by our law enforcement agencies.
Unless and/or until we declare open war upon islam or declare their 'religion' outlawed, seen in this light, it is the very freedoms we are speaking of giving up, that will keep us safe by making their claims of OPPRESSION NULL AND VOID.
They'll be left with small issues such as having to wait at borders, providing ID, annoying us with amplified calls to prayer and telling us lies like Columbus didn't discover America, they did.
I think the government understands the issue only too well. It's not appeasement - rather, I see it as not giving your enemy the stick he wants so badly. Our response to their insanity must be rational, it is, and it makes them soooooo mad!
What say you?
It explains a lot and they try very hard to be separate.
Thanks.
What do I say? I say you are exactly right, as usual. But this thread has been so hijacked by the Islamonazi-appeasers that it is absolutely worthless.
Not to worry, as long as we are on the same wavelength. I'll catch up with you somewhere on another thread.
An excellent point!
..and very well said.
"But that was 218 years ago, and times were different. "
So cancel the Bill of Rights ?
"I'm glad you know what UBL wants, but allowing these animals to walk around freely: getting driver's licenses and SSA cards however"
Now who's putting words in people's mouth ? This thread is regarding citizens, many of them natural-born.
"What price are you willing to pay to preserve the security of the US?"
One price we paid for our freedom was those 3,000 lives - a price we continue to pay is every soldier killed or wounded to destroy our enemies and spread the cause of freedom.
We pay many prices, my friend - the right to keep and bear arms takes its toll in the accidental shootings each year.
But we have let some slip away also - Smoking and drinking are taxed and regulated under the banner of keeping us "safer".
Seat belts, air bags, bicycle helmets, even the 55mph speed limit that everyone ignores except the cop who dosen't like little red cars, blacks or guys in turbans.
The price I will NOT pay is the canceling of the Bill of Rights. It appears that you would have shipped Washington off and begged your King to forgive you.
Yes
I posted an article about CBP abusing its power. The fact that you don't support the Constitution for all Citizens is par for the course at DU.
"How can islam even dream of this prophecy being fulfilled if we allow them to live in our countries as equal citizens?
I am beginning to understand why we must change nothing. If we do, we are falling straight into their plans. I know it's tough...but those who would harm us must be treated as the criminals they are, and taken care of by our law enforcement agencies. "
This part you are absolutely correct, but here you go wrong...
"They'll be left with small issues such as having to wait at borders, providing ID,"
These ARE citizens of the US, and should be treated exactly as any other citizen of the US. When the group is singled out because of their beliefs it is EXACTLY what you are saying that we should NOT do. You don't begin by suspecting them of being criminals because of their religion, then working backwards.
When non-muslem citizens were able to present the same documentation, and were passed through the same crossing with no delay, yet mulsem citizens were directed to a different channel - you have that singling out and provocation that you say must be avoided.
"Our response to their insanity must be rational, it is, and it makes them soooooo mad!"
EXACTLY ! UBL and the others expected themselves and their actions to be the bringer of the Islamic revolultion. By remaining who we are, and spreading OUR ideas and freedoms, it will have the opposite effect - and THAT is how they will be defeated.
" By remaining who we are, and spreading OUR ideas and freedoms, it will have the opposite effect - and THAT is how they will be defeated."
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Idealism is a nice thought but being nice to people who are killing you has never resulted in victory.
So, IYO, the Constitution should only apply to "good citizens"?
Could you describe to me a "good citizen" and what "rights" I can violate on the "not so good" citizens?
"Wrong, wrong, wrong! Idealism is a nice thought but being nice to people who are killing you has never resulted in victory."
These American citizens are not killing you - Giving them the same respect and rights they deserve as any other citizen is not being "nice".
It appears that you would have had no problem inturning the Japanese in WW2, I wonder if you would have agreed if the government started busing all Germans and Italians on the East Coast to camps also ?
I have nothing to hide, so it is not a big thing. My prints are on file in a multitude of places. From the Military to my LEO career. Big whoop. I have no problem here. NONE!.
Semper FI
Then apparently you havn't been doing it right.
Semper FI
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