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Was God in This Disaster?
Belief Net ^ | Rodger Kamenetz

Posted on 12/30/2004 12:07:56 PM PST by Lorianne

Turning to both Judaism and Buddhism for solace, the author meditates on God's role in the tsunami tragedy.

I am trying to connect to this tragedy the best I can. The pictures help a little. I see dead children on the floor, a parent weeping. The little ones look like they are sleeping; it is unimaginable that they are dead. I see a parent holding his dead child. I feel in my body what it is like to hold... that weight. To feel the life gone, and the heaviness of a body that does not have life. It is different from holding a sleeping child, carrying a child to bed for instance. I can feel what this father feels in the photo, can reach in my imagination, and in my memory.

But I can't multiply what I feel by 10,000 or 40,000, or even by ten. We know more than we can feel. And we respond as best we can, I think. This is our situation in a time of instant global communication. The heart does see from one end of the world to the other, and faster than the internet.

I read that when someone witnessed the huge tidal wave approaching the shore, he thought it was "biblical." The flood story came to his mind, I guess, and behind it the old primitive idea of an angry God, destroying what he once created. Some people still think this way: everything bad that happens is a curse or a punishment and has a reason, even if we don't know what the reason is. I don't buy it.

The children killed didn't have enough time in this life to deserve this death.

This kind of disaster opens difficult prospects for the Western imagination. Some would see in it a monstrous demiurge: an all-powerful God who kills innocent children. We hear the bitter words in King Lear: "As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport." Others, seeking to justify God to man, will offer the simple idea that whoever suffers somehow had it coming.

There is a deeper story about suffering in the Talmud. In this story, Moses travels to heaven and sees for himself that Rabbi Akiba is the greatest teacher of Torah. When Moses asks God what Akiba's reward will be, God shows him a vision: Akiba tortured by Romans in the marketplace, his flesh stripped from his body.

Just as it is incomprehensible to us that children, whole families, whole islands could be taken up by a wave and drowned, it is incomprehensible to Moses that a great and good teacher would be "rewarded" with torture.

When Moses asks why, God answers with a riddle, "It arose in thought."

To our own human notion of justice, "it arose in thought" seems cruel and unaccountable. Those who wrote this story must have felt that injustice keenly. But the starkness of this tale shows a kind of maturity of vision we sadly lack in today's religious discourse. God in the story offers no real explanation. There is none at the human level that we could understand. We stand before it stunned and uncomprehending.

At the level of our feelings of right and wrong, we understand there is no explanation for dead children on a beach who were playing and swimming one moment and taken away by a huge wave in the next. I can't accept the answer suggested by the Buddhist idea of group karma, that whatever happens to a group is somehow the result of a previous action of that group, either in this life or in a previous life. I don't accept that explanation in this case.

I don't believe it because this disaster happened to children. They didn't have enough time in this life to deserve this death. And in a previous life? No, that is too abstract for me. The explanation that their acts in a previous life may have warranted this death lacks specificity--and a number of deaths so huge already lacks too much specificity. I need to feel more, not less.

One time I asked the Dalai Lama how he would respond to a parent who had lost a child. And he said--these aren't his exact words--that when you lose a child you are constantly thinking of that child in your imagination. He called the child a "dear one." And he said, "You must know that your 'dear one' does not want you to suffer, to feel so much grief." I found this meditation wholly beautiful.

I don't believe in a God who punishes through disaster. The disaster is.

He added that for a Buddhist, suffering is in the nature of things, and so he would try to remind a Buddhist to reflect on that. But, he said, for a Westerner, there would arise the question of meaning. This boils down to the question of Job: Why would a just God allow the innocent to suffer? The question is just as profound for an individual loss as for a mass disaster: It doesn't get more profound, just more inescapable.

I don't believe that a mass disaster, in and of itself, tells us anything about God. I don't believe in a God who punishes through disaster. The disaster is. That is exactly the way I would understand it, without adding my own interpretation, without supplying a meaning or completing the sentence. The disaster is. The tragedy is. And I need to abide with it, and feel it, instead of seeking an answer, because the answers just make me complacent and take me away from the children on the beach, and the father with the dead child in his arms.

There is no God in the disaster.

I think there is God in the response, in the human hearts of those who are feeling and responding to this, the families and neighbors of the victims, and the rest of us, the bystanders, and us, too. The whole world is feeling it.

I used to think that if something unaccountably bad happened to someone, it needed to be compensated by something good. That was my own internal accounting, my own way of repairing my sense of order, of justice. A boy loses his sight, but he becomes a musical genius. A teacher of mine lost his mobility to polio, but he gained the ability to be a blessing to others. One time I said such things in a public talk, and a woman in a wheelchair rolled toward me and said with great seriousness and very slowly, "I would like you to consider that a disability means…absolutely nothing."

I heard her and felt how I had glibly covered over my heart with an easy reaction.

I love what the Baal Shem Tov, the founder of modern Hasidism, said when asked to define equanimity. "If whatever happens you can say, if it's good enough for God, who am I to judge? That's equanimity." And he added, "But that is a very high rung."

It is a very high rung and I cannot say I am standing on it now, and rarely ever. I cannot say that this tsunami is for the good.

It is not for the good, it is not for the bad. It just is.

It is not a blessing, it is not a curse, it just is.

A tectonic plate shifted, and a vast wave spread across the ocean, and took with it many lives.

And now another wave is spreading, and it is also vast, and it spreads through the hearts of those who let themselves feel it.

The disaster is. It happened to a "dear one," someone's "dear one," many dear ones. I open my heart and feel it. The place it touches in me, touches God.


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KEYWORDS: death; faith; god; life; religion; sumatraquake; wrongforum
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1 posted on 12/30/2004 12:07:56 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

The ocean doesn't care who drowns in it....


2 posted on 12/30/2004 12:12:04 PM PST by Lexington Green (Pain makes its own rules.)
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To: Lorianne
When was the "veil of tears" clause ever rescinded?

On this earth you are supposed to suffer, thats precisely because its not heaven...
3 posted on 12/30/2004 12:13:22 PM PST by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Lorianne

Tsunami, Sovereignty, and Mercy
December 29, 2004

“The waves of death encompassed me, the torrents of destruction assailed me. . . This God—his way is perfect” (2 Samuel 22:5, 31).

After the loss of his ten children owing to a “natural disaster” (Job 1:19), Job said, “The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord” (Job 1:21). At the end of the book, the inspired writer confirms Job’s understanding of what happened. He says Job’s brothers and sisters “comforted him for all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him” (Job 42:11). This has several crucial implications for us as we think about the calamity in the Indian Ocean.

1. Satan is not ultimate, God is.
Satan had a hand in Job’s misery, but not the decisive hand. God gave Satan permission to afflict Job (Job 1:12; 2:10). But Job and the writer of this book treat God as the ultimate and decisive cause. When Satan afflicts Job with sores, Job says to his wife, “Shall we receive good from God, and shall we not receive evil?” (Job 2:10), and the writer calls these satanic sores “the evil that the Lord had brought upon him” (Job 42:11). So Satan is real. Satan brings misery. But Satan is not ultimate or decisive. He is on a leash. He goes no farther than God decisively permits.

2. Even if Satan caused the earthquake in the Indian Ocean the day after Christmas, he is not the decisive cause of 100,000+ deaths, God is.
God claims power over tsunamis in Job 38:8 when he asks Job rhetorically, “Who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb . . . and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?” Psalm 89:8-9 says, “O Lord . . . you rule the raging of the sea; when its waves rise, you still them.” And Jesus himself has the same control today as he once did over the deadly threats of waves: “He . . . rebuked the wind and the raging waves, and they ceased, and there was a calm” (Luke 8:24). In other words, even if Satan caused the earthquake, God could have stopped the waves.

3. Destructive calamities in this world mingle judgment and mercy.
Their purposes are not simple. Job was a godly man and his miseries were not God’s punishment (Job 1:1, 8). Their design was purifying not punishment (Job 42:6). But we do not know the spiritual condition of Job’s children. Job was certainly concerned about them (Job 1:5). God may have taken their life in judgment. If that is true, then the same calamity proved in the end to be mercy for Job and judgment on his children. This is true of all calamities. They mingle judgment and mercy. They are both punishment and purification. Suffering, and even death, can be one or the other.

The clearest illustration of this is the death of Jesus. It was both judgment and mercy. It was judgment on Jesus because he bore our sins (not his own), and it was mercy toward us who trust him to bear our punishment (Galatians 3:13; 1 Peter 2:24) and be our righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21). Another example is the curse that lies on this fallen earth. Those who do not believe in Christ experience it as judgment, but believers experience it as, merciful, though painful, preparation for glory. “The creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope” (Romans 8:20). This is God’s subjection. This is why there are tsunamis.

Who suffers from this fallen world of natural disasters? All of us, Christians included: “Not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies” (Romans 8:23). For those who cast themselves on the mercy of Christ these afflictions are “preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison” (2 Corinthians 4:17). And when death comes, it is a door to paradise. But for those who do not treasure Christ, suffering and death are God’s judgment. “It is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?” (1 Peter 4:17).

For children, who are too young to process mentally the revelation of God in nature or Scripture, death is not the final word of judgment. God’s commitment to display his justice publicly means that he does not finally condemn sinful people who could not physically construe natural or special revelation (Romans 1:20). There is a difference between suppressing revelation that one can mentally comprehend (Romans 1:18), and not having a brain sufficient to comprehend it at all. Therefore, when small children suffer and die, we may not assume they are being punished or judged. No matter how horrible the suffering or death, God can turn it for their greater good.

4. The heart that Christ gives to his people feels compassion for those who suffer, no matter what their faith.
When the Bible says, “Weep with those who weep” (Romans 12:15), it does not add, “unless God caused the weeping.” Job’s comforters would have done better to weep with Job than talk so much. That does not change when we discover that Job’s suffering was ultimately from God. No, it is right to weep with those who suffer. Pain is pain, no matter who causes it. We are all sinners. Empathy flows not from the causes of pain, but the company of pain. And we are all in it together.

Finally, Christ calls us to show mercy to those who suffer, even if they do not deserve it.
That is the meaning of mercy—undeserved help. “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you” (Luke 6:27). Therefore, pray earnestly for Scott Purser and his team as they investigate the best way that the Global Diaconate can mercifully respond with the love of Christ to the calamity around the Indian Ocean.

In the merciful hands of Almighty God,

Pastor John


4 posted on 12/30/2004 12:15:11 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 (SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE)
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To: Lorianne

We are born to fill the void in heaven made when Lucifer and his troops were cast out.

Ideally, we should be living for our after life and not be taking this natural life as all there is or a poor reflection on God.


5 posted on 12/30/2004 12:16:49 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: aspiring.hillbilly

And Paul states in Romans that even nature groans under the fall, and awaits the redemption of God's people.


6 posted on 12/30/2004 12:17:23 PM PST by My2Cents (Is it OK to wish people a "Happy New Year"?)
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To: Lorianne

God did not make the Thai authorites refuse to issue a tsunami warning so as not to spook their domestic tourist industry. God did not put up the large warning system which now surrounds Alaska, Hawaii and the West coast of the U.S. The deaths of tens of thusands was not preordained but rather made inevitable by flawed and in some cases greedy (as in the case of Thailand) decisions by men.


7 posted on 12/30/2004 12:17:36 PM PST by montag813
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To: Lorianne

Liberals say this can't be God's judgment because kids were the victims. They need to be reminded from the scriptures that God judged Eqypt by killing all the first born children. Liberals hate the concept of devine judgment. Unfortunately, without judgment, there is no end to sin.


8 posted on 12/30/2004 12:18:10 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: alpha-8-25-02
The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord” (Job 1:21).

Even if it's for a sh!tty reason like a bet with Satan himself. God needed a time out for that whole thing.

9 posted on 12/30/2004 12:20:40 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Lorianne

The Lord is normally moving in mysterious ways.


10 posted on 12/30/2004 12:23:54 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Lorianne
I am trying to connect to this tragedy the best I can.

Why? Who's helped by this person's "feeling connected?"

11 posted on 12/30/2004 12:24:17 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: aimhigh

"Liberals say this can't be God's judgment because kids were the victims."

When kids are "victims" I believe it's to their ultimate benefit. If they're under the age of accountability when they can make a conscious decision to accept or reject salvation, then I believe they become immediate residents of Heaven. It seems cruel, and it is to their parents and loved ones because of the void left in life on earth, but maybe God was calling some little ones home to be with Him.


12 posted on 12/30/2004 12:25:04 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Lorianne
Sometimes there are no answers. Only those left to grieve for a lifetime. Thinking of what might have been.

If we pray for them, perhaps they will find some comfort in knowing our hearts.

13 posted on 12/30/2004 12:27:52 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH)
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To: Tax-chick

Those of us who are trying to do the same? He's a writer, he's not hurting anyone.


14 posted on 12/30/2004 12:31:11 PM PST by Voss
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To: Voss

Okay. If his emotions make you feel better about your emotions, cool.


15 posted on 12/30/2004 12:32:19 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: Lorianne

The only American island (DG) was unharmed!!! Surely this should be a sign from god.


16 posted on 12/30/2004 12:38:22 PM PST by tkathy (Ban all religious head garb.)
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To: Lorianne

Jesus declared God was the God of the living, not the God of the dead.

The mortality rate of the world is 100%. The number of humans who are the Creator's and who are ultimately accountable to Him is also 100%.

Death is only a vehicle to the glorious presence of the Sovereign. Hope for that grand reunion is (should be) the light of life.


17 posted on 12/30/2004 12:38:52 PM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Maybe you should read the book of Job rather than listening to "The Devil Went Down to Georgia". God didn't "bet" with Satan. God had every confidence in Job's faithfulness, and waddayaknow! God was right! Somebody indeed needs a "time out", but I'm pretty sure it's not God.


18 posted on 12/30/2004 12:38:55 PM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the Legislature is in session.")
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To: alpha-8-25-02
Good comments. Interesting post.

As an aside, I take exception to the small but noticeable outpouring of articles this week from people who claim that the south Asia tsunami somehow proves that God is not merciful (or, that there is no merciful God). The thing which makes this event so horrific is its scale. But every day, people die from minor natural disasters and accidents. What about the person who drowns swimming, or the family that loses a loved one in a fire? Every tragedy is essentially personal. Over 100,000 people were apparently killed in the tsunami, and we're all horrified by the photos and film footage, but the greatest impact of loss is felt by the individual family who lost a parent, or brother, or child in this natural disaster. I have no satisfying answer to the question, "Where was God?", when trying to address the grief of the individual or family who lost a loved one. I might as well answer the question, "Where is God?" in trying to make sense of the cancer my father is currently battling. The fact that we even call such events "tragic" speaks of the value we give to life and people's well-being -- a value which is itself sparked by God, I believe. The fact that we feel sorrow at the loss of life -- whether that number be one, or 100,000 -- proves, to me, that God is there.

This much is certain, I believe: there is something wrong with our world. Events happen which don't make sense, and the horror and sorrow we sense at the loss of life is evidence to me that death was never meant to be part of the equation of life. Something is wrong here. But the Bible speaks of God's plan to set it all right some day.

I don't mean to wax philosophical. My only point is that it's absurd to try to give cosmic significance to an event simply because of its magnitude. The loss of one person by disaster or accident is a loss of infinite significance. The agnostics and out-right God-haters who are using the tragedy in south Asia to promote their crusade of unbelief are trivializing the loss of one child, one parent, one spouse in every other isolated tragedy that occurs everywhere, every day.

19 posted on 12/30/2004 12:40:35 PM PST by My2Cents (Is it OK to wish people a "Happy New Year"?)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

He he he,
That is one of my least favorite stories...I do agree.
(like how about, just walkin' on by when Satan starts in on ya...but noooo, you had to prove somethin' ;)


20 posted on 12/30/2004 12:40:43 PM PST by najida (Some days you beat the dragon, other days you're Lunch.)
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