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RUSSIA DOWNGRADED TO “NOT FREE”
Freedom House ^ | December 22, 2004

Posted on 12/30/2004 11:09:24 AM PST by lizol

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To: Nakatu X
I give them a lot of credit for giving Cuba the lowest score possible and giving Israel the only "Free" ranking in the Middle East.

Agreed! However, that has not one thing to do with Russia.
21 posted on 12/30/2004 2:42:42 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc; Libertina; jb6; Agrarian; Kolokotronis
Isn't it just an incredible joke that this supposedly conservative site is now regularly posting crap like this from the liberal left? I wonder if FR even sees where it is headed these days?

Increasingly we see the work of Madeline Halfbright, George Soros, and Brzezinski, just like this writing, posted here and hailed by supposed conservative posters.

It's really very sad to see what has happened to FR recently. Invaded by socialists from Poland and John Birch paranoids....what a way to go downhill.

freedom house

"Former CIA director R. James Woolsey, Jr. is Freedom House's chairman and its board contains Zbigniew Brzezinski, Steve Forbes, Dan Quayle, P. J. O'Rourke. Freedom House is funded by a number of foundations, including Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation and the Soros Foundations."

22 posted on 12/30/2004 2:55:48 PM PST by MarMema
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To: GarySpFc

Out of curiousity--why? I seem to remember that Putin was considered the candidate who'd bring Russia back to USSR style policies. It'd make logical sense that Russia would become less free under his regimen.


23 posted on 12/30/2004 2:57:31 PM PST by Nataku X (There are no converts in Islam... only hostages.)
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To: GarySpFc
And since Ziggy Brzezinski wrote a book about hoping to see Russia destroyed, how many years back now?, you would think someone with a brain cell or two might stop and actually *think* here once in awhile.

Have the public schools really done this much harm to us?

24 posted on 12/30/2004 3:00:30 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Nesher
The least he could have done was nuked Chechnya, or at least a massive artillery bombardment to do to Grozny what the Romans did to Carthage.

And that would have solved.............?

25 posted on 12/30/2004 4:18:12 PM PST by uglybiker (Merry Christmas from the Cleavers: Wallace, Theodore and Eldridge)
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To: uglybiker

"And that would have solved.............?"

It would have:

1) Given the Muslim Chechans and other Islamic terrorists that their activities will be met with the harshest possible consequences, which they cannot afford to sustain.

2) It would have defended the honor of Russia and made Putin's nation seem very strong.

3) It would be an act of vengeance, to punish the Chechnyans for the horrible treatment of the Russians in Belsan.

4) It would be the world standing up to Islamic terrorism and saying "ENOUGH!!!"

Either Muslims stop committing terrorist acts or Islam will be destroyed.


26 posted on 12/30/2004 4:50:03 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: MarMema

I haven't heard of Freedom house before. I think FR will stand up against the left, but agree that we are sliding that way in America. Feeling better these days, MarMema? Hope so and to see you all soon!


27 posted on 12/30/2004 4:50:38 PM PST by Libertina (God bless and protect our troops - strengthen their families , bring them home to us!)
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To: MarMema

Don't forget that bastion of conservatism, the Ford Foundation.


28 posted on 12/30/2004 5:25:01 PM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Libertina

We just have to help people see past the wonderful blinders, including words like "freedom house" the liberals abroad use to disguise themselves and fool freepers who are not up to date in slavic issues.


29 posted on 12/30/2004 5:30:33 PM PST by MarMema
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To: ravingnutter

Now their you go and spoil their delusions with facts. They'll ignore it, they always do. No matter how bad things get in Russia, they will support the resurgence of totalitarianism there till the end.


30 posted on 12/30/2004 5:33:10 PM PST by DarkWaters
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To: MarMema

Slavic issues, it is something very familiar to me :)


31 posted on 12/31/2004 1:07:58 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Nesher

"Supposedly he's our ally in the War on Terror..."

The best of Putin - December 2004:

"Putin denounced the U.S. “dictatorship” in international relations, accused the West of acting like a “kind but strict uncle in a pith helmet” lecturing Russia and ridiculed Bush’s plans for elections in Iraq next month."

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1300014/posts

"I have strong doubts that it's possible to create conditions for democratic elections (in Iraq) when its entire territory is occupied by foreign troops," he said.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307186/posts

"Today according to our estimates there are nine cities in Iraq where there are hostilities but they still want to carry out elections," he said, condemning European elections monitors' plans to observe the poll from Jordan as a "farce".

"We do not understand how there can be an election in a country under conditions of total occupation... It's absurd. It's a farce. Everything is upside down."

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307427/posts


Russia has every reason to criticize the United States, President Vladimir Putin said at a Kremlin press conference.

“We’re also not too happy about what’s going on in the United States,” the Russian Information Agency Novosti quoted him as saying. “Do you think that the electoral system in the United States is without problems? Is it necessary to recall how the elections went this time and the previous time?”

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308004/posts

In 2004, Putin declared the collapse of the USSR a "national tragedy on an enormous scale."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin



32 posted on 12/31/2004 1:38:06 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Nesher

What else could he do, since he was already occupying Chechnya ?


33 posted on 12/31/2004 5:33:25 AM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend

He could have nuked Chechnya (after removing the Russian troops.)

He could have razed Grozny to the ground with artillery and airstrikes.

These would have avenged the victims and sent a powerful message to the terrorists and their supporters (85%+ of the Chechnyan population)

And then he should have arrested terrorists and their supporters, and hung them publicly outside the Beslan school.


34 posted on 12/31/2004 11:32:13 AM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Grzegorz 246

I know Putin says some pretty weird, anti-Western things. He even defended Slobodan Milosevic, saying the West had victimized him.

But he has a good relationship with Bush and I think he is saying these anti-Western things to voice the concern of all Russians about the isolation of their country. The only country still really allied with Russia is Belarus. They've lost Ukraine, Georgia, the Central Asian states, and just about every other Warsaw Pact nation. Putin is a nationalist, though a wimpish one. We're conservative; if we were Russian, we would probably be saying some of the same things. Many Russians like Stalin because he made their nation strong.

Putin has also supported Bush in the election, and is friends with Bush.

Like I said before, he seems to be a nice person, but he has dreams of resurrecting the Russian empire, so he needs to be watched like a hawk.


35 posted on 12/31/2004 11:39:55 AM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Nesher
He could have razed Grozny to the ground with artillery and airstrikes

Already did that with their new toy, a new fuel air bomb.
36 posted on 12/31/2004 5:08:59 PM PST by DarkWaters
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To: DarkWaters

"Already did that with their new toy, a new fuel air bomb"

No wonder the New York Slimes hates Putin so much. Just thinking of all those poor, innocent terrorist sympathizers being blown to hell must have every bleeding heart liberal in tears. Soon public school teachers will have kids writing essays comparing the Eeeevil Imperialist Occupation of Chechnya to the Holocaust.

If Chechnya is ever about to get vaporized, and they ask the US for help, I dont think we should lift a finger.


37 posted on 01/01/2005 12:12:07 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Nesher
Supposedly he's our ally in the War on Terror

Yep key word here is supposedly. He has never done anything to combat either AL Quaida or the goons that commited the Beslan murder. I hate the way the MSM and even our own government portrays Russia and China as allies in the War on Terror. China is arming terrorist nations with nuclear weapons and supports North Korea while Russia has done nothing at all to combat terrorism.

38 posted on 01/01/2005 12:19:06 PM PST by Paul_Denton
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To: Paul_Denton

"Yep key word here is supposedly. He has never done anything to combat either AL Quaida or the goons that commited the Beslan murder. I hate the way the MSM and even our own government portrays Russia and China as allies in the War on Terror. China is arming terrorist nations with nuclear weapons and supports North Korea while Russia has done nothing at all to combat terrorism."


China our ally? In the War on Terror? China isnt our ally. Not in the WOT, not in trade, nothing.

They should be considered a hostile, dangerous rival at least, and I would even say they are an open enemy of the US. The war just hasnt started yet.

The reason Russia is considered an ally in WOT, though a rather tepid, unreliable one, is that Russia helped us in Afghanistan (no doubt they were eager to see the jihadis who had defeated them get their asses kicked) and also, Russia has been the victim of many Islamic terror attacks, so the US and Russia have that in common.

However, IMHO, the Russians have responded weakly to devastating attacks upon them.


39 posted on 01/01/2005 12:34:28 PM PST by Nesher ("Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum!")
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To: Nesher

Yes I know. China is openly hostile. Infact the US is still in a State of War against North Korea and China. Just that the fighting has died down (at least publically). There was also a shooting war between China and Taiwan back in the 1950s. Taiwan defeated China in that engagement while the US 7th fleet supported Taiwan (mostly logistically). This was during the height of the artillery duels between Taiwan and China over the Kinmen and Quuemoy islands. Grr I wish MacArthur got to nuke Shanghai and Beijing as he wished.


40 posted on 01/01/2005 12:40:55 PM PST by Paul_Denton
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