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Are We Stingy? Yes
NYT ^ | 30 December 2004 | Who Really Cares?

Posted on 12/30/2004 5:07:39 AM PST by .cnI redruM

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To: commonguymd

Don't mention it, pal. Glad to add my 2 cents here.


161 posted on 12/30/2004 8:35:59 AM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Clorinox; MEG33

With every post, you show your ignorance of the facts.

Per capita, the United States gives give more money and goods than any other country in the world.

Last year, the U.S. donated FORTY PERCENT of the humanitarian aid in the world.

And that does NOT count our military presence.

You have bought this drivel from the American-hating, Bush-hating New York Times.

One has to wonder why.

And before you post here on FR, it's best to get the FACTS; we are at 35 million; and that is just TAX DOLLARS out of the United States Treasury; that does not count FOOD, military assets, medicine, corporate donations and private donations.

We are not socialistic; the government does not take from us to give to others; we have free will and the heart to do it ourselves.


162 posted on 12/30/2004 8:36:03 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Clorinox

By the way - I apologize for my spirited post. Getting tired of defending the way a Republic system of government works. I am not going to go to through the litany of facts and information of what so many people have contributed to on this thread.


163 posted on 12/30/2004 8:36:33 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: Clorinox

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia_near_east/tsunami/ngolist.html


164 posted on 12/30/2004 8:37:25 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Clorinox; All
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165 posted on 12/30/2004 8:37:45 AM PST by .cnI redruM (This country's heart will be giving in any disaster regardless of the recipient's response.)
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To: .cnI redruM

E-mail addresses for Egeland:

Egeland@un.org

lawday@un.org

bunker@un.org


166 posted on 12/30/2004 8:39:03 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: Clorinox

The Red Cross has more than 35 million in contributions from Americans to the disaster relief as of yesterday.


167 posted on 12/30/2004 8:39:33 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Clorinox

The point is "the current figure".

Rather than just throw out an arbitrary but suitably impressive to you and others of the world number, this administration actually awaits targetted need reports and responds accordingly. (Imagine!)

In addition, this administration does not ignore or discount the private giving that will dwarf the tax-funded aid.


168 posted on 12/30/2004 8:40:04 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: .cnI redruM

done.


169 posted on 12/30/2004 8:41:04 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: Howlin
and that is just TAX DOLLARS out of the United States Treasury;

Are you SURE that it's tax dollars?
I thought that all we do anymore is just borrow the stuff.
The tax dollars actually get spent just to pay the interest.

170 posted on 12/30/2004 8:43:55 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: riri

Why do I feel we don't owe it to anyone to help them out of a crisis? I really resent this mindset, sorry.


171 posted on 12/30/2004 8:44:09 AM PST by riri
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To: Willie Green
Are you SURE that it's tax dollars?

Positive.

172 posted on 12/30/2004 8:47:18 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Clorinox

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1310815/posts
Americans Donate $18 Million to Red Cross Fund for Tsunami Victims
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 12/30/04 | Randy Hall
This was by Thursday..I may have misheard the other figure..


173 posted on 12/30/2004 8:47:36 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: MEG33

That's a good point, MEG33. I heard the president say that we give 40% of what the world donates in terms of relief aid.

And what goes unreported is that AQ clearly wants to effect our economy and they took over $500M out of our economy on 9/11. If we allowed them to continue doing that by not fearlessly embarking in the war on terror, they would succeed in taking us down economically and then we would be unable to help other countries when they needed us.


174 posted on 12/30/2004 8:48:53 AM PST by Peach
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To: Howlin

How can you be "positive" when we're constantly spending money that we don't have?


175 posted on 12/30/2004 8:49:01 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: riri

you resent my mindset? I just care about people and spend a lot of my income on charity. Maybe I am a just a softee.


176 posted on 12/30/2004 8:49:06 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: .cnI redruM

I think the NYT should pay everyone who provides them with story fodder. Don't wanna do that? Then shaddup.


177 posted on 12/30/2004 8:52:45 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: commonguymd
No, I respect your mindset.

I resent this mentality that we owe the world something.

178 posted on 12/30/2004 8:53:11 AM PST by riri
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To: riri
Understand. It is amazing that when you are the biggest and best on the block, so many resent. Redistribution of income seems to be one of the things that tops the list of "to do" items at the UN.
179 posted on 12/30/2004 8:55:46 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: Clorinox

#1. The amount we are giving stands today at $35 million, not 15.

#2. Colin Powell was on the morning news shows on Monday (within 24 hours of this catastrophe) and said the number would likely reach the billions before we stopped donating aid.

#3. Have you seen the articles that says NONE of the money has yet to reach the survivors? So throwing more money at people isn't what they need right now.

#4. It's smart to wait and see what the need is before throwing OUR TAX DOLLARS around, don't you agree?

#5. Within 24 hours of this catastrophe, we had sent 12 ships from the Pacific to the disaster areas. This will cost us millions of dollars per day, according to both our local paper and other news reports.

#6. We have also send some untold number of forensic scientists to help identify the dead using DNA. These people will be paid a salary, housed, transported, and our DNA facilities are donating the testing equipment. This donation will run into the tens of millions of dollars before it's all over.

I think all this carping about what we are and are not doing is forgetting that we don't HAVE to send one thin dime.

As with children, the more they demand and less grateful they are, the less parents feel like giving.


180 posted on 12/30/2004 8:56:27 AM PST by Peach
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