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Are We Stingy? Yes
NYT ^ | 30 December 2004 | Who Really Cares?

Posted on 12/30/2004 5:07:39 AM PST by .cnI redruM

President Bush finally roused himself yesterday from his vacation in Crawford, Tex., to telephone his sympathy to the leaders of India, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, and to speak publicly about the devastation of Sunday's tsunamis in Asia. He also hurried to put as much distance as possible between himself and America's initial measly aid offer of $15 million, and he took issue with an earlier statement by the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator, Jan Egeland, who had called the overall aid efforts by rich Western nations "stingy." "The person who made that statement was very misguided and ill informed," the president said.

We beg to differ. Mr. Egeland was right on target. We hope Secretary of State Colin Powell was privately embarrassed when, two days into a catastrophic disaster that hit 12 of the world's poorer countries and will cost billions of dollars to meliorate, he held a press conference to say that America, the world's richest nation, would contribute $15 million. That's less than half of what Republicans plan to spend on the Bush inaugural festivities.

The American aid figure for the current disaster is now $35 million, and we applaud Mr. Bush's turnaround. But $35 million remains a miserly drop in the bucket, and is in keeping with the pitiful amount of the United States budget that we allocate for nonmilitary foreign aid. According to a poll, most Americans believe the United States spends 24 percent of its budget on aid to poor countries; it actually spends well under a quarter of 1 percent.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blameamericafirst; humanitarianrelief; janegeland; leftistnimrods; stingy; sumatraquake; un; whous
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To: Peach

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1310812/posts
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He did not say exactly when the ships would arrive. A U.S. defence department official in Jakarta confirmed the carrier fleet was on its way.

SHIPS CAN PRODUCE FRESH WATER

Conway also said the USS Bonhomme Richard Expeditionary Strike Group of seven vessels, which had been in Guam -- in the Pacific Ocean -- had been diverted to the Bay of Bengal, where it would arrive before Jan. 7.

"It has seven ships associated with the strike group (and) carries 25 helicopters, which will be valuable to us again in disaster relief," he said.

He said five other ships of the squadron located in Guam were moving toward the disaster-hit areas of southern Asia.

"These five ships have fresh-water-producing capability. Each ship can produce 90,000 gallons of fresh water a day, and of course that'll be extremely valuable as we have a number of requests already for fresh-water supply," Conway said.
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This of course will not be included in the UN total of aid by the US.


141 posted on 12/30/2004 7:59:19 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: .cnI redruM

i have libs all writing me hate bush blaming bush,we are not giving enough ,this should not be a pissing match ,all one people(then how come sri lanka refused israels aid??..these libs dont stop! i gave and didnt write e mails to all


142 posted on 12/30/2004 8:02:39 AM PST by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: rang1995

huh?


143 posted on 12/30/2004 8:04:15 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: MEG33

It never is. The UN hates our military accept when we bail out their boats.


144 posted on 12/30/2004 8:04:22 AM PST by .cnI redruM (This country's heart will be giving in any disaster regardless of the recipient's response.)
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To: cyncooper

I'd like to give them something to beg about. They are hateful.


145 posted on 12/30/2004 8:05:29 AM PST by .cnI redruM (This country's heart will be giving in any disaster regardless of the recipient's response.)
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To: KwasiOwusu
Did we ask for assistance from Norway or anyone else?

Who needs worldwide help the most, Florida or the many other Caribbean countries that were also hit? I know people who went from up and down the east coast to FL to repair utilities. A lot of smaller countries can't manage.

146 posted on 12/30/2004 8:07:04 AM PST by conserv13
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To: Sthitch

A ton! Out OPTEMPO costs for the military aid portion of this probably outweighs our entire 'humanitarian aid' portion that the UN will just misuse and embezzle anyhow.


147 posted on 12/30/2004 8:07:09 AM PST by .cnI redruM (This country's heart will be giving in any disaster regardless of the recipient's response.)
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To: MEG33
"I think it's very important for Americans who want to give to provide cash to organizations that will be able to focus resources and assets to meet specific needs. In other words, a lot of times Americans, in their desire to help, will send blankets or clothes. That may be necessary, but to me it makes more sense to send cash to organizations that could then use that cash to make sure we match resources with specific needs on the ground. There are many NGOs now involved that understand what is specifically needed to meet the needs of these countries."

- President George Bush


In addition to the information in your post, I counted 44 US relief organizations.....

http://www.usaid.gov/locations/asia_near_east/tsunami/ngolist.html
148 posted on 12/30/2004 8:08:21 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: Brilliant
but the fact that our government reacts to this BS by increasing its aid doesn't help.

Contrary to what the media would like you to think, our government has not reacted to their hysterics except to say the UN guy was wrong. The increase in aid is in response to the U.S. Agency for International Development and their recommendations and reports. NOT the idiotic simpering clymers at the NYT, I can assure you.

149 posted on 12/30/2004 8:11:27 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: .cnI redruM
I WISH we really were stingy.
Unfortunately, Dubya spends money like a drunken sailor.
His administration has already buried us in another $1.5+ TRILLION in National Debt, and shows absolutely no sign of curtailing deficit spending. And the numskull goes around forgiving debts that are owed TO us.

Somebody please explain how we're supposed to be "more generous" with money we don't even have. Are we supposed to borrow more just to go out and give it away? Where do these boneheads think it comes from anyway? Good grief.

150 posted on 12/30/2004 8:18:57 AM PST by Willie Green
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To: commonguymd

There is a tax exemption in Europe (at least in France). Half of what you give is deductible, IIRC.


151 posted on 12/30/2004 8:21:52 AM PST by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: marvlus

One of the worlds greatest natural disasters occurs and we are only willing to give 15 million. I mean c'mon. Regardless of your political view everyone here knows 15 mil. for this type of disaster is bubkis.

Now I do think it is rediculous for the NYT to call the US stingy and not compare us with other nations around the world. I also agree that the American people are the greatest contributers privately in the world.

But you have to admit 15 million is a drop in the bucket for a disaster of this magnitude.


152 posted on 12/30/2004 8:21:58 AM PST by Clorinox
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To: KJacob
Help me if I am wrong but wasn't Mr. Powell talking about an initial donation from one agency?

You are not wrong, of course. In addition, according to Andrew Natsios, the director of the U.S. Agency for International Development, who appeared with Chris Wallace on Fox yesterday (and he's given daily briefings for the last few days, too), our first donation of $4 million dollars was sent on Sunday (in addition to that day the deployment of a ship, I believe). Last I checked, that was on the very day disaster hit. It was not, as the Slimes insinuates in their malevolent way, a belated decision to send aid. And nobody with a brain and good will thought the initial amounts announced were the end of the discussion.

The Slimes is plain and simply an evil and malignant entity.

153 posted on 12/30/2004 8:22:30 AM PST by cyncooper
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To: conserv13
"Did we ask for assistance from Norway or anyone else?
Who needs worldwide help the most, Florida or the many other Caribbean countries that were also hit? I know people who went from up and down the east coast to FL to repair utilities. A lot of smaller countries can't manage."

We didn't have to.
Natural disasters have nothing to do with how "rich" someone is.
When natural disasters strike, countries just mobilize and help each other if they can, irrespective of how "rich" the victims are.
Norway is certainly rich enough with all their vast, free oil money to have helped in Florida.
They simply didn't.
Plus of course there are lots of people in Florida who are not rich, while there are lots of very, very rich individuals in the Caribbean, some with their own private islands, worth billions of dollars

BTW, while we are about it, how much did Norway give to help those hurricane victims in the Caribbean?
154 posted on 12/30/2004 8:24:20 AM PST by KwasiOwusu
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To: Willie Green
Where do these boneheads think it comes from anyway?

One of the best questions that no one has cared to ask yet. The UN and the 'donor' governments do not give away money. They expropriate it. If you don't feel generous when they ask you to add to their expropriation, they tend to send the IRS after you. But Jan Egeland, living off a tax free income, would quite be able to grok that concept.
155 posted on 12/30/2004 8:24:53 AM PST by .cnI redruM (This country's heart will be giving in any disaster regardless of the recipient's response.)
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To: Clorinox

You are behind in your facts.


156 posted on 12/30/2004 8:30:43 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Atlantic Friend

Thanks.


157 posted on 12/30/2004 8:31:24 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: MEG33

I agree. I was just using the information from this article. Is 35 Million the current figure?


158 posted on 12/30/2004 8:33:54 AM PST by Clorinox
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To: Clorinox

you better get a grip on reality. Read some of the information out there before posting this tripe. Facts are available on this thread. Fiction is what the UN and the MSM is feeding you and you fell for it.


159 posted on 12/30/2004 8:34:09 AM PST by commonguymd (the commonguy's corner bar blogspot - http://commonguyva.blogspot.com)
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To: Clorinox

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1310812/posts
The ships associated with the carrier group are expected to take position off the island of Sumatra, Conway said.

He did not say exactly when the ships would arrive. A U.S. defence department official in Jakarta confirmed the carrier fleet was on its way.

SHIPS CAN PRODUCE FRESH WATER

Conway also said the USS Bonhomme Richard Expeditionary Strike Group of seven vessels, which had been in Guam -- in the Pacific Ocean -- had been diverted to the Bay of Bengal, where it would arrive before Jan. 7.

"It has seven ships associated with the strike group (and) carries 25 helicopters, which will be valuable to us again in disaster relief," he said.

He said five other ships of the squadron located in Guam were moving toward the disaster-hit areas of southern Asia.

"These five ships have fresh-water-producing capability. Each ship can produce 90,000 gallons of fresh water a day, and of course that'll be extremely valuable as we have a number of requests already for fresh-water supply," Conway said.

He said a sixth ship with a field hospital was also headed to the region.

The United States suspended normal military ties with Indonesia in 1999 following allegations of widespread human rights abuses by its military in East Timor....


160 posted on 12/30/2004 8:34:26 AM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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