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National Academy of Sciences, Justice Dept. reports find no benefits to restricting ownership of firearms

Ya think????

1 posted on 12/30/2004 4:21:32 AM PST by Lazamataz
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A ping to the hardcore gunnies among us.


2 posted on 12/30/2004 4:23:38 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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The National Academy of Sciences had a brief moment of sanity. Not to worry; I'm sure it'll pass quickly.


4 posted on 12/30/2004 4:27:01 AM PST by Heatseeker
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However, it added, some studies suggest that children's curiosity and teenagers' attraction to risk make them resistant to the programs or that the projects actually increase the appeal of guns.

All the more reason that kids should be taught the proper use of fire arms.

I didn't have it taught to me formally but I did have a Dad who was constantly harping on safety and heaven help me if I ever accidently pointed a gun at somebody.

20 posted on 12/30/2004 4:34:44 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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Gun control doesn't reduce crime, violence, say studies.

Facts will not change the minds of the gun control freaks.

They are a plague just like the environmentalist wackos!

22 posted on 12/30/2004 4:36:01 AM PST by VOYAGER
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A picture of Sarah Brady, OBVIOUSLY upset at the study's finding. (apologies to the baby)
23 posted on 12/30/2004 4:38:22 AM PST by HMFIC (US Marines, you yell, we shell.)
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heeellooooo...

the idea behind "gun control" has NOTHING to do with controlling crime and violence.

the purpose behind gun control is to control CITIZENS. it is a necesary precursor to a totalitarian state, which is why socialists everywhere are so fervent in seeking it.

30 posted on 12/30/2004 4:40:57 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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Problem is, the lefties will jump on these studies and say, "See, there is no clear benefit to allowing ownership of firearms, so they should be restricted." Never mind that there is no benefit to restricting ownership, not to mention the collateral law-enforcement effects of a restrictive policy towards firearm ownership [cf Prohibition, war on drugs].

It's a shame about John Lott's shenanigans, since his behavior certainly casts a shadow over his data showing a clear benefit with civilian firearms ownership.

31 posted on 12/30/2004 4:41:37 AM PST by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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The widespread ownership of guns is a deterrent to crime; attempts to control the ownership of firearms generally cause more crime.

The folks in Kennesaw were correct in their observation that it would be safer if every household clearly possessed firearms.

Now if we can start a national push to get rid of gun control laws -- I advocate going after repeal of the 1968 GCA first.

36 posted on 12/30/2004 4:47:26 AM PST by snowsislander
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>>In short, the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns.

So they at least admit, at minimum, that there's no harm in this inalienable right being exercized. That's progress in many ways, and can be used as ammo by us. Frankly, whether crime rates fall or not, crime in *my* vicinity is more likely to be dealt with appropriately.

I wonder what the results of the study really "say", versus what this summary says.


38 posted on 12/30/2004 4:50:21 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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" However, the National Research Council decided even more thorough research on the topic is needed."

ie, there are still some funds left in the government tills.

41 posted on 12/30/2004 4:57:56 AM PST by TLI ( . . . ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA . . . . . .)
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"Policy questions related to gun ownership and proposals for gun control touch on some of the most contentious issues in American politics...

Only from the unconstitutional viewpoint.

44 posted on 12/30/2004 5:00:43 AM PST by risk
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The stench from this Orwellian gibberish is overwhelming.

Global warming, disarming the citizenry, UN mandates, one world government, etc. etc..

Will someone, anyone, take the garbage out?

45 posted on 12/30/2004 5:01:50 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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However, the National Research Council decided even more thorough research on the topic is needed.

Now here's the "news" in this little item.

"Researchers" call for more (drum roll....)RESEARCH!

The only real surprise is that they didn't characterize the situation as a "crisis".
48 posted on 12/30/2004 5:05:11 AM PST by G L Tirebiter
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The panel was established during the Clinton administration and all but one of its members were known to favor gun control...

...and no doubt still do!

If there were any possibility of finding a link, they would have found it and trumpeted it from the highest rooftops!

The fact they gave a "neutral" report speaks volumes that actual conclusions are anything but "neutral". A "neutral" report no doubt stems from their anti-gun attitude. An honest conclusion would undoubtedly support a strongly pro-gun outcome.

We mustn't think for a moment this Clinton appointed panel issued an honest report on this subject and came to a genuinely "neutral" conclusion. All they are doing is murking up the issue and trying their best not to do their own side any damage.

52 posted on 12/30/2004 5:07:40 AM PST by Gritty ("The ACLU perfectly fits the definition of a 'subversive organization')
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From the article:
In short, the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or even accidents with guns.

The panel was established during the Clinton administration and all but one of its members were known to favor gun control.


If the media weren't biased against guns, that would read:
In short, the panel could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and firearms violence or even accidents with guns.
The real news here is that a bunch of lefties, predisposed to be positive to gun control "benefits," couldn't find any actual evidence of benefits from gun control laws, even with a big budget and a lot of time and research effort.
83 posted on 12/30/2004 5:42:34 AM PST by cc2k
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Everything in this thread is very whimsical, and that's good. However, this is a serious issue, and I'm glad that the NAS finally finished this research. The Justice Dept. stated last week that they support the individual right to bear arms, and that's an amazing step forward for this country.

I worked at an urban nightclub in college, and I've been shot at and been in the vicinity of drive bys and carjackings. Having been in that environment, I can't tell you how much of a relief it is to be allowed to carry concealed and have the outcome of my life in my own hands.

This is a truly momentous outcome, and I hope that more states adopt shall issue right to carry legislation, esp. DC!

Happy New Year to you all and God Bless America!

94 posted on 12/30/2004 6:46:14 AM PST by rarestia
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The real kernel of the article:

" The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.

Less than 9 percent were bought at retail outlets and only seven-tenths of 1 percent came from gun shows."


96 posted on 12/30/2004 6:56:55 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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Uhh Duhhh?


97 posted on 12/30/2004 7:01:21 AM PST by chuknospam
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Gun control doesn't reduce crime, violence, say studies.

If anyone wants direct proof as to the accuracy of this statement, then please just take a good look at Toronto, Canada, a once peaceful town which now seems to suffer shootouts and gun crime, not to mention stabbings, on a daily basis - and our gun registry has only existed for a couple of years!

101 posted on 12/30/2004 9:24:55 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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Do you mean to tell me that the criminals are not registering their guns?


104 posted on 12/30/2004 9:37:20 AM PST by henderson field
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