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To: VadeRetro
M-PI:"...Darwinist / macroevolutionist, Marvin Lubenow"

VadeRetro: "Absoultely wrong. Young Earth Idiot, "Bones of Contention" author Marvin Lubenow."

I think the scientific evidence for an "old earth" is much more persuasive that that offered by "young earth" proponents, but by using ad hominem ("idiot") you diminish your credibility with everyone other than moral relativists and / or the intellectualy dishonest.

That aside, I have rectified your correct objections here:

"If the unfit survived indefinately, they would continure to infect the fit with their genes. The result is that the more fit genes would be diluted and compromised by the less fit genes and evolution could not take place. The concept of evolution demands death. Death is thus as natural to evolution as it is foreign to biblical creation. The Bible teaches that death is a foreigner, a condition superimposed upon humans and nature after creation." ~ Marvin Lubenow - graphically portraying the consequences of Darwinianism / macroevolution ie: Darwin's racist / sexist beliefs about Negroes and women being unfit/inferior and that is is as crucial that the unfit die as it is that the fittest survive.

472 posted on 01/01/2005 12:42:03 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Today's DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI
... by using ad hominem ("idiot") you diminish your credibility with everyone other than moral relativists and / or the intellectualy dishonest.

But the argument that evolution cannot be a historical process because supposedly* wicked men have embraced it seems to be worth making. Such statements on a thread about whether evolution happens would be what fallacy?

* One of your "wicked men" is a foaming-at-the-mouth antievolutionist. The others are just Victorian Englishmen whose view of race was no worse than, and generally the same as, that of their society and their time.

473 posted on 01/01/2005 1:12:03 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Matchett-PI
Marvin Lubenow - graphically portraying the consequences of Darwinianism / macroevolution ie: Darwin's racist / sexist beliefs about Negroes and women being unfit/inferior ...

A grotesque perversion of Darwin's thinking. Typical creationoid conduct. This is from the final chapter of The Descent of Man. It's not the writing of a racist who imagines that his group is somehow divinely distinct from all others (underlining added by me):

I am aware that the conclusions arrived at in this work will be denounced by some as highly irreligious; but he who denounces them is bound to shew why it is more irreligious to explain the origin of man as a distinct species by descent from some lower form, through the laws of variation and natural selection, than to explain the birth of the individual through the laws of ordinary reproduction. The birth both of the species and of the individual are equally parts of that grand sequence of events, which our minds refuse to accept as the result of blind chance. The understanding revolts at such a conclusion, whether or not we are able to believe that every slight variation of structure, — the union of each pair in marriage, — the dissemination of each seed, — and other such events, have all been ordained for some special purpose.
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The main conclusion arrived at in this work, namely, that man is descended from some lowly organised form, will, I regret to think, be highly distasteful to many. But there can hardly be a doubt that we are descended from barbarians. The astonishment which I felt on first seeing a party of Fuegians on a wild and broken shore will never be forgotten by me, for the reflection at once rushed into my mind — such were our ancestors. ... [Snip]... He who has seen a savage in his native land will not feel much shame, if forced to acknowledge that the blood of some more humble creature flows in his veins.
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Man may be excused for feeling some pride at having risen, though not through his own exertions, to the very summit of the organic scale; and the fact of his having thus risen, instead of having been aboriginally placed there, may give him hope for a still higher destiny in the distant future. But we are not here concerned with hopes or fears, only with the truth as far as our reason permits us to discover it; and I have given the evidence to the best of my ability. We must, however, acknowledge, as it seems to me, that man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system — with all these exalted powers — Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin.

474 posted on 01/01/2005 1:32:04 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Matchett-PI
The Bible teaches that death is a foreigner, a condition superimposed upon humans and nature after creation.

It sure seems to me, that ternal life should have "evolved" by now, as it is sure simpler to STAY living than to go thru the process of reproduction.........


531 posted on 01/02/2005 8:29:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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