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1 posted on 12/29/2004 8:48:09 AM PST by debboo
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Yep, serves him right! Gangmembers are domestic terrorists and should be treated/punished as such.


2 posted on 12/29/2004 8:49:25 AM PST by Kurt_D
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But Eve Santana, owner of a bridal shop, said while maybe not on the scale of bin Laden, "of course they are terrorists."

Darn right! Hang 'em high!

3 posted on 12/29/2004 8:51:02 AM PST by Sociopathocracy (The Left is the ally of Islamo-fascism.)
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Morales, 22, was indicted on murder and other charges as acts of terror in May, along with 18 other members of the St. James Boys Gang, a Mexican and Mexican-American street gang.

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4 posted on 12/29/2004 8:51:07 AM PST by Afronaut (Press two for English.)
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Is there some reason why laws against murder aren't enough? This seems to be in the same category as "hate crimes" legislation.
5 posted on 12/29/2004 8:51:38 AM PST by inquest (Now is the time to remove the leftist influence from the GOP. "Unity" can wait.)
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"They are comparing my son to (Osama) bin Laden ... and all those people who used bombs and killed thousands of people at random," said Morales.

"They are making him look as if he was this cold-hearted person, and he is not like that."

Murder is murder. Period.

'Nuff said.

6 posted on 12/29/2004 8:52:02 AM PST by mhking
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I wonder if 10-year-old Melanie Mendez would agree that "Gang violence and terrorism are two different things"...if she were still alive, that is


7 posted on 12/29/2004 8:54:01 AM PST by Lekker 1
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"But it should never be justifiable to use laws with purposes other than their original intent. "

Like the Interstate Commerce Clause.

Congress has used this clause to circumvent the limitations placed on its powers by the Constitution. That body has taken the phrase---“to regulate commerce…among the several States,” and transformed it into the “constitutional” basis for a multitude of federal regulatory schemes for everything from civil rights to gun control. It has also been used to unconstitutionally expand the federal government’s criminal jurisdiction over the people of the several States. In addition, the expansion of federal power through the Commerce Clause has all but nullified the Tenth Amendment

link to article

9 posted on 12/29/2004 9:00:13 AM PST by Mr. K (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. god Bless America, Our Troops, W, and Ann Coulter!)
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Its about damn time. Street terrorism is what gangs are anyway.

But, as always I can find the cloud behind any silver lining, I see a downside to this. If gangs are now prosecuted as terrorists this may allow the further militarization of the police.

10 posted on 12/29/2004 9:02:31 AM PST by AreaMan
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A spokeswoman for state Sen. Michael Balboni, who sponsored the bill, said he does not mind that prosecutors have decided gang violence is a form of domestic terrorism and are using the statute to prosecute Morales.

Wasn't there a thread here earlier about how drug dealers and gangs have "taken over" Camden New Jersey? Sure sounds like they could use this application.

In my view, that state of affairs certainly qualifies as terrorism...

12 posted on 12/29/2004 9:04:57 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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"Local store manager Lidia Chavez added: "Gang violence and terrorism are two different things." "

I disagree. I think they're exactly the same thing.


13 posted on 12/29/2004 9:06:09 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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RICO updated for the modern gang element.... something sort of comforting about that.


15 posted on 12/29/2004 9:09:13 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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"Terrorism" = Crimes Against the State. Scary.

The violent acts of terrorism are already covered by existing law. Even RICO plays against terrorists, but we knee-jerk emotional reactionaries want new laws, as thought we believe laws alone will protect us such that any level of terrorism must mean we didn't have the right laws in the first place.


16 posted on 12/29/2004 9:10:28 AM PST by shellshocked
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There are already laws against criminal and gang activity. To prosecute a gang member as a terrorist should cause any freedom loving person to be tremendously concerned.

At what point will any person accused of a crime be prosecuted as a terrorist...?

20 posted on 12/29/2004 9:20:07 AM PST by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Basketball! Beat Palo Alto!)
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Murder is murder, and terrorism is terrorism. Many gangs do have a sense of honor. They may kill members of rival gangs for offenses they are deemed to have committed, but they don't go around blowing up innocent women and children at random. It takes a certain amount of courage to go up against someone who is as armed and dangerous as you are, not the kind of cowardice that blows up kindergartens and Bar Mitzvahs.

There is a difference, and it's wrong to use a terrorism statute for crimes against which it was never intended. It gives ammunition to the ACLU, which has said that these laws would be abused, and thus it undermines the fight against genuine terrorism--which at the moment is Islamic terrorism, not Hispanic youth gangs.

As it happens, one of my good friends was formerly the warlord of a Hispanic gang in the South Bronx. That was the way he grew up, that was what he knew, and with his abilities he was bound to reach the top. He later became a High School principal in the Bronx. He has great talents at keeping problem kids in line and seeing them through their educations. He is a man of considerable intelligence and honor.

Sure, if someone is a murderer, the law has every right to go after him--but as a murderer, not as a terrorist.


21 posted on 12/29/2004 9:21:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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"We cannot compare gang violence with big scale terrorist attacks," said resident Miriam Medina

If these are illegal aliens (which mahy of them are), why shouldn't they be classified as foreign terrorists and treated as such? They are a threat to our society, government, culture, you name it. These gangs go well beyond mere murder and mayhem.

23 posted on 12/29/2004 9:31:02 AM PST by Gritty ("With 8-15 million illegals,is there any hope for avoiding the nightmare of Balkanization?-VD Hanson)
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"They are making him look as if he was this cold-hearted person, and he is not like that."

He killed a ten year old girl. Thats pretty cold-hearted.


30 posted on 12/29/2004 10:19:12 AM PST by monday
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Several years ago I came across an article that I kept because I thought it was insightful: "Street Gangs-Future Paramilitary Groups?" (Published in The Police Chief magazine, June 1996, pp. 54-58). It's a very interesting article (written in 1996) about how street gangs might "morph" into terrorist groups. Clearly folks were thinking about this scenario long before 9/11.


35 posted on 12/29/2004 11:54:05 AM PST by Towed_Jumper
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intead of being life without the possibilityo f parole anyonethat kills a child under 13 should be facing a mandatory minimum sentence of death by lethal injection then maybe the civilians in these neighborhoods can at long last be sentenced to a long life but of course this is new york where even the republicans are bleeding heart liberal democrats ala mayor loonberg and the sissyboys in the state senate that say they have an r after their name on the ballot but have never in thier lifes voted like it


44 posted on 12/29/2004 3:24:44 PM PST by freepatriot32 (http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
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