Posted on 12/29/2004 6:21:51 AM PST by Ginifer
It has been proven that with cheap (basically slave) labor, one takes away the motivation for ingenuity. Technological advances in strawberry picking, say, will only come around when the pickers must receive a decent wage and benefits. Suddenly someone will invent the mechanical strawberry picker.
Just as your ancestors did. Back in the early 20th century all they had to do was buy a ticket of passage to Ellis Island, pass the health test, and enter to survive the golden streets of the lower East Side.
JMO, the immigration laws of your ancestors, Yaelle, had more lax immigration laws that they are now.
I do believe they're too busy gang-banging with MS-13 and the Latin Kings, among others.
Sorry...
The Mexican immigrants I have known love America and have no desire to overthrow our government and subject themselves to Mexican rule. That's just kook talk.
To no one's surprise, you've completely missed the point. Previous models of immigrant assimilation aren't adequate for what is occurring now, and your premise that they are is false.
That reality has no impact whatsoever on the scrumptiousness of Mexican cuisine.
Or did you fall for Buchanan's "fear commercial" that you could choke on a meatball if the 911 operator is bilingual?
LOL! Do you check under your bed and keep a night light on, in case Buchanan might get you?
How do you define "completely change the demographics?"
Recall what I said in the other thread? A perfect example above.
They dropped 25% in FY 2001. They again dropped 25% in FY 2002 for a 50% decrease in 2 years. In FY 2003 the drop was only 3%.
In FY 2004 they jumped 26%.
Some blame the Presidents amnesty / guest worker proposal to this increase, but 2 of the years biggest increases came in November and December, prior to his first announcement of the guest worker program.
Those same folks point to a survey, taken by the border patrol, asking illegal aliens why they entered. The survey states an overwhelming majority said they came because Bush promised illgal aliens amnesty.
I've spoken to dozens of BP agents, and not one has seen or heard of this survey.
While there is no doubt in my mind, some entered specifically for this new amnesty/guest worker program, most came for the same reason they always come. Work.
The increase in apprehensions, IMO, is due to many factors, with the economy being number 1. As the economy is recovering and jobs are being created, more illegals are heading north. After 9/11, fear of being thought a terrorist was a major reason for the decrease in illegals crossing the borders. As that fear decreases over the years and the economy recovers, the numbers of crossers will inevitable increase.
If it were not for 9/11, I doubt there would have been any decreases during FY 2001 and FY 2002.
If the rhetoric that you are now proclaiming now were taken when the rehtoric was at a same low level fever pitch a century ago, you may not have been able to post on FR, now. Your ancestors could have been sent back to Germany, Poland, or Russia.
Why, that is not true. My grandparents had to wait and always at great risk until they could receive legal visas to come here. It was hard when they were Displaced Persons with no country to claim them. But eventually they were accepted, with sponsors here, and with promised jobs.
I am absolutely in support of legal immigration. It does make this country great.
You are accusing me of being anti-Hispanic. That is false. I don't care from which corner of the world any of our legal immigrants come. My corner of the country will always be very Hispanic and I am glad.
To refute my stance on ILLEGAL immigration you had to insult my Judaism, my family's history, and call me a racist. Those ad hominem debate "skills" are really not putting your argument forward, if you have one.
Deserves to be repeated again and again until the OBL types finally get their heads out of their fourth points of contact. Not only is this Econ 101, but it's Common Sense 101 as well.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
"The result has been less and less younger families can afford a home or middle class people staying in their homes."
As a result, they move away. Who does those "menial jobs" after that happens?
I'd love to see a study comparing (1) average income, (2) median price of housing with the "unwillingness" of American workers to do those "menial jobs" in that particular area.
Probably because they don't wear signs telling me which is which? If they did would I notice a difference in skin color? Religious preferences? Fertility rates? Language? Family values? Work ethic? Cleanliness?
When an immigrant's visa expires does he suddenly become a rapist, murderer, drug dealer and litterer?
If the difference between a good immigrant and a bad one is simply the technicality of legal status, then we should support President Bush's guest worker plan and make as many as possible legal.
POT/KETTLE
Didn't you earlier say that "teenagers have never done the hard dirty manual labor that adult immigrant males and blacks have done?"
Turns out you're as wrong about that as you are about most things.
Why do you suppose we have child labor laws? To stop the practice of having pre-teens doing "hard dirty manual labor." Of course American teens have done hard dirty jobs.
I suspect that the "worthless, lazy kids" are the offspring of that certain type of person that the RINOOBLS are most likely to associate with on a daily basis.
It's all they see, and they think that the rest of America is the same way.
Would you KINDLY lay off my family?
I am not discussing the laws on legal immigration then and now. If you wish to change the legal immigration processes, tell us about it.
My argument against Bush's plan is that he is setting a huge precedent of promoting illegal immigration. Most of us on FR think we should be doing MORE to combat illegal immigration, to preserve our middle class and to protect against terror. What is your actual argument, anyway?
All in a Dane's work!
I have a problem with people who seem to have no trouble working with folks who are bigots.
And I think Pat Buchanan is a bigot. Just take a look at the stuff he's said on issues in the past. This is a guy who once said he wanted to "get clear of" folks with darker skins.
I guess Tancredo doesn't have a problem with folks who are bigots. Well, I do.
I am absolutely in support of legal immigration. It does make this country great
My Grandmother came here on a ticket and hope in 1919(she did have distant reletives here at the time). My Grandfather came here by himself with only a hope and a prayer in the mid 1910's and went back to the old world and came back.
I'm sorry to buttress your rhetoric, but there was no rhyme or reason to immigration before 1920. If you could pass the health test arriving at Ellis Island, you were allowed in to fend for yourself in America, and a lot of us are now enjoying the fruits of their hard work.
That's why I chuckle at those on FR who wish for a neo-porgrom of new immigrants, when the vast majority of these peoples ancestors, also faced the animus that these people on FR spew now.
Do you have problems with Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon? Pat Buchanan worked for both of them.
What's the connection between Tancredo and Buchanan?
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