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Remember Kosovo?
aim.org ^ | December 28, 2004 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 12/28/2004 9:41:19 AM PST by Destro

Remember Kosovo?

By Cliff Kincaid | December 28, 2004

Clinton's policy was not to bomb those terrorists but to support them and bomb the Christian Serbs.

AIM put together a list of the most underreported or buried stories of 2004, and one of them was the resurgence of anti-Serb, anti-Christian violence in Kosovo. Dozens were killed and more Christian churches were destroyed there. Kosovo got some attention near the end of the year when newspapers covered the fact that a former leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army, the KLA, became prime minister in a new Kosovo-based government. A story in the Washington Post, back on page 18, noted that he has been accused of "war atrocities" and may be indicted. Here's the rest of the story.

Clinton's 1999 NATO war in Kosovo was illegal under U.S. and international law. The U.S. Congress never voted for it and the U.N. never endorsed it. There was no claim that Yugoslavia had weapons of mass destruction or had ties to terrorist groups. Instead, Clinton had the U.S. intervene on behalf of the terrorists, operating in Kosovo under the banner of the KLA. They had links to Osama bin Laden. In fact, it is reported that the KLA's head of elite forces, Muhammed al-Zawahiri, was the brother of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the military commander for bin Laden's Al Qaeda. After the war, the KLA was transformed into the police force for Kosovo.

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To: WineGuy

Did you know that some of the terrorists who were on the planes during the 9/11 attack were ex Bosnian Muslim army? Investigated for war crimes against Serbs? The UN seems to have had a file on them before hand. The articles to back what I posted can be provided on request.


41 posted on 12/30/2004 6:52:50 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Nennsy; ma bell; getoffmylawn

ma bell is upset he is being ignored - he is upset his pet theory that all events in the Balkans are due to the mafia -- or something like that - he is a little scattershot.


43 posted on 12/30/2004 7:03:44 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: WineGuy

I am very disappointed in President Bush for not putting a end to our involvement in helping the islamic horde murder women and children and destroy churches in Kosovo.

When you look at that situation and you take into account that nothing has been done to secure our borders since 9/11 I have to conclude that the WOT is not as it should be. Something stinks.


44 posted on 12/30/2004 7:32:45 AM PST by winodog (I wonder where America would be if we had not lost 40+million in the thirty+ year war)
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To: WineGuy
Two of the fighters who took part in "defending" Bosnian Muslims from Serbs and Croats in 1995 were young Saudis named Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar. They went on to play an organizing role in the Sept. 11 attacks and died on the hijacked plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
45 posted on 12/30/2004 7:35:57 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Again with the Bosnian angle.

Do me a favor Destro, read Kohlmann's book. (You know, the one you were plugging without having read it - LOL.)

It'll at least shut you up while you digest it and figure out how to spin his conclusion as to the failure of Al Qaeda's campaign in Bosnia.

46 posted on 12/30/2004 8:22:22 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

I read the galley of said book! - the spin is that by NATO helping the Bosnian Muslims - it got them to not use al-Qaeda. Fine - my only concern is to document Bosnian Muslim collusions with al-Qaeda which you and your kind deny - except in an onlique way.


47 posted on 12/30/2004 8:26:10 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
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48 posted on 12/30/2004 8:36:17 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
Did your galley proof omit Kohlmann's conclusion that the Bosnian Muslims rejected Al Qaeda's brand of Islam as being alien to their European sensibilities?

Or did you "read" it like you "read" your Economist subscription?

In short, why do I get the distinct impression that you're just talking smack, as usual?

49 posted on 12/30/2004 8:37:56 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

You now the book (if you read it) book stated that a majority of the Muslims rejected the Wahhabist influence - but the Muslim leadership did not - aftar all their President was Izebecovic a polygamist Waahbist was he not? And their is still a hard core - that is growing more islamist.


50 posted on 12/30/2004 8:42:24 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Hoplite
'A tectonic shift in the geopolitical world order is the steady transformation of Europe into a safehaven for militant Islam. How has it happened? One crucial answer lies in a recent yet much overlooked chapter of history: the struggle of the Bosnian Muslims and the bridge their jihad helped build from what was the core of the 1980's Afghan mujahideen to what has exploded into the global Al Qaida network. Evan Kohlmann, one of the world's foremost counterterrorism experts, documents and explores that chapter with insight and depth. A valuable contribution.' Andrew C. McCarthy, counterterrorism expert and former federal prosecutor in the 1993 WTC bombing

Book Description

Why did so many of the September 11th hijackers spend time in Germany? How did terrorist sleeper cells plant themselves in cities such as London, Paris, Rome, and Hamburg? This is the first book to uncover the secret history of how Europe was systematically infiltrated by the ranks of the most dangerous terrorist organization on earth.

Terrorist analyst Evan F. Kohlmann argues that the key to understanding Al-Qaida's European cells lies in the Bosnian war of the 1990s. Using the Bosnian war as their cover, Afghan-trained Islamic militants loyal to Usama Bin Laden convened in the Balkans in 1992 to establish a European domestic terrorist infrastructure in order to plot their violent strikes against the United States. As the West and the United Nations looked on with disapproval, the fanatic foreign mujahideen, or holy warriors, wreaked havoc across southern Europe, taking particular aim at UN peacekeepers and even openly fighting with Bosnian Muslims at times. Within a few months of the war's end, home-grown terrorist sleeper cells appeared on the streets of Europe's cities.

Al-Qaida's Jihad in Europe unveils a new angle to the deadly international terrorist organization and includes recently declassified American and European intelligence reports, secret Al-Qaida records and internal documents, and interviews with notorious figures such as London-based Bin Laden sympathizer Abu Hamza Al-Masri.

51 posted on 12/30/2004 8:51:55 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Hoplite

Happy New Year by the way!


52 posted on 12/30/2004 8:59:31 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: WineGuy
In fact Yugoslavia was at war with Muslim terrorist groups within their country

Not really. More accurately, Yugoslavia was at war with itself. After Milosevic took charge riding a wave of Serb nationalism, every constituent part of Yugoslavia bailed out. First Catholic Slovenia bolted, then mostly Catholic Croatia, Muslim Bosnia, Orthodox Macedonia, and Muslim Kosovo all made the break to get away from domination by a Serbia ruled by Milosevic. And even now, Orthodox Montenegro is making moves toward independence and Serbia is having difficult with its largely Catholic Hungarian minority in Vojvodina. In none of those cases was religion the motivation for the break-up; even irrespective of the illogic of using Islam as the explanation for the seccession of the largely Christian parts of Yugoslavia.

53 posted on 12/30/2004 3:36:47 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Destro
Tell me something specific from the book, Destro, not something you read off the internet.

For example, Kohlmann relates how before Western media started reporting on the war in Bosnia, nobody from the Afghan jihad knew what or where Bosnia was - and the first group of Arab-Afghan jihadis to go to Bosnia actually came from Milan Italy. Prior to the war breaking out in Bosnia, the jihadis were at a loss as to where to go - Afghanistan had turned into muslim on muslim fighting, and the Pakistani government was shutting down the jihadi infrastructure built up in that country during the war. So the Serb invasion of Bosnia, and subsequent reporting of the atrocities perpetrated by them there in the Western media, provided the Arab-Afghans both a purpose and a destination - the cause and effect nature of their involvement in regards to Serbian actions is clear.

And where exactly does Kohlmann refer to Izetbegovic as a Wahabbist? I must have missed that part.

Even at his most radical, Alija Izetbegovic was far from a Mullah Omar or even a Radovan Karadic. [sic] Rather, Izetbegovic is more comparable to the various personalities who have dominated Chechen nationalist politics since 1992, such as Dzokhar Dudayev. While they are far from committed fundamentalists themselves, men like Izetbegovic are weak enough both ideologically and militarily to cooperate with Muslim radicals, led primarily by Al-Qaida, out of desperation. This phenomenon is not entirely illogical, and some blame must fall on Western governments for failing to provide alternatives to embattled but generally popular Third World governments like the one in Sarajevo in 1992. This is true especially when the United States government itself has recognized the sovereign right of those legitimate governments to defend themselves, yet paradoxically simultaneously prevents them from acquiring weapons in order to exercise that fundamental right.

Epilogue, p. 229

The smart money's on your not having read this book, Destro, and that you're trying yet again to BS your way through getting caught in yet another lie.

Tell me something specific from the book, Destro, not something you read off the internet.

54 posted on 12/30/2004 4:50:57 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

He can't reveal anything besides what is on the 'net. The dip is pointless with his posts.


55 posted on 12/30/2004 5:12:49 PM PST by ma bell ("Goddamn it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow me!" - Captain Henry P. ")
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To: Hoplite
Hello! "Even at his most radical", duh!

And he was a polygamist in real life! What kind of Bosnian Muslim is a polygamist!!! You might like the excuse the Serbs made me do it but in reality "radical" Izetbegovic, like all radical Muslims sought out such company as did Dzokhar Dudayev. It is what their type breed. Like I said - my only concern is to document Bosnian Muslim collusions with al-Qaeda.

And how did al-Qaeda get into Bosnia? Why Clinton opened up a Bosnian pipeline or if you will did nothing to stop it - I guess you missed the chapter sub titled blowback -

56 posted on 12/30/2004 5:15:42 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: ma bell

Why don't you go peddle through mafia territory some more. Maybe you can turn it into a Soprano's episode?


57 posted on 12/30/2004 5:35:13 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro
No Destro - I didn't miss the chapter titled blowback.

I've actually read it, so I don't have to rely upon the listing of the chapters on Berg Publishing's web page in order to reference it.

What don't you understand about disproving the notion that you've actually read this book by basing your comments upon material contained within it?

What antiaircraft device is referred to in that chapter?
What French gang's activities are described, and more to the point what did they actually do?

Prove to me that you've actually read the material and aren't just trying to lie your way through yet another thread.

58 posted on 12/30/2004 6:29:48 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Tick-tock.


59 posted on 12/30/2004 8:23:09 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Hoplite

The French convert to Islam? The so called Roubaix gang?


60 posted on 12/30/2004 8:34:57 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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