American Neo-Conservatives Are Abusing the Spirit of Christ, Whose Real Essence Is in Islam

MEMRI ^ | December 24, 2004 | Memri

[yatros from flatwater]

12/24/2004	Clip No. 441
Rafsanjani in a Tehran University Friday Sermon: The American Neo-Conservatives Are Abusing the Spirit of Christ, Whose Real Essence Is in Islam
The following are excerpts from a Friday sermon at Tehran University. The preacher is Ali-Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani, head of the Iranian Expediency council: Rafsanjani: Regarding what is going on is the Christian World, one must distinguish between most of the people, who are deprived of rights, oppressed, the people of the Third World, and another part of the people – such as the Americans. The American Neo-Conservatives, who are, in fact, the Zionists of our time, are now in control, and they are abusing the spirit of Christ. We expect that the scholars and leading men of the Christian World will not allow the exalted spirit [of Christ] to be contaminated by the sinister goals of these greedy, colonialist people. They must act in order to appease the spirit of Christ. We, too, are willing to cooperate for the sake of the justice of Christ, whose pure essence is in Islam. Crowd: Death to America! Death to America! Death to America!

[weegee]

Muslims claim that they, like Jews and Christians, are people of "the book" (the Bible).

Mohammed wrote the Koran and he did it to hamstring people for power. Conversion by the sword, make slaves of those of other faiths, have sex with those slaves (breed them out).

The Koran cannot be tampered with and it hijacks the Judeo-Christian tradition.

If a muslim chooses to accept Christ as the Divine Savior, then they can become Christian. If they want to continue with the belief that Jesus is merely a man (possibly a prophet, but not the Son of God) and continue to deny the resurrection, then they can become Jews. EXCEPT there is that awful Koran again that has so demonized Jews that it would be positively unthinkable of ever "becoming" one.

The "third way" is a lie; it has been such a powerful lie that I suspect that Mohammed was the AntiChrist.

[Tamar1973]

You should have put a Mega barf alert by this headline.

[weenie]

Muhammed wrote the Koran and he did it to hamstring people for power.

I agree that Muhammed was an (and possible "The") anti-Christ.

I doubt Muhammed, the man, was smart enough to design such an effective and enduring religion without significant demonic direction. However much Islam appears, up close, to have been strung together with chicken wire and duct tape, it is, as you have mentioned, a smooth-running Satanic killing machine.

Its cobbled-together appearance is probably a ruse to hide the identity of its true designer (Old Scratch).

[weegee]

Is our war really a political one against terrorism, or is it a spiritual one against a demonic religion known as Islam?

Based upon the evidence I have presented from the Koran and from history, I think the answer is obvious. We are not engaged in a war against terrorism. Terrorism is a means, not the source of the struggle. Terrorism is a tool of those waging the war. To say this is a war against terrorism is equivalent to saying World War II was a war against U-Boats, V2 Rockets and Kamikaze planes. No, World War II was a war against Fascism. The current war is one against Islamic Fundamentalism.

Except that it would be like leaving Nazis around in Germany and elsewhere after the war, free to follow their faith. We are much more hesitant to lock up muslims than we were/are to lock up Nazis (even NOW old Nazis are still sought out and put on trial).

Japanese had the Shinto religion. Germans had Nazism. Both were told that the world was "theirs" to conquer essentially by divine right. This is again the situation with radical muslims. 9/11 was a sign to other muslims that the US WAS vulnerable to attack, "rise up". Some merely rose up in the streets to cheer. Others like Charles Bishop/Bishra (the Tampa teen kamikaze), Robert Reid (the shoe bomber), Johnny Taliban, and the DC sniper duo DID something.

Our war on terrorism is a war on radical Islamic terrorism (not Catholic/Protestant terrorism in Ireland, not the radical environmentalist terrorists of the world...).

Since we are being browbeaten to only act after the fact and only to collect those who can be proven to have committed "actual" crimes (not just mere membership in a radical mosque or terrorist training cell) we are fighting this war with one arm tied behind our back.

I can assure you that the muslims in this war are perfectly willing to kill innocents of ANY stripe (including muslim children) to reach their target. They certainly do not adhere to the Geneva Conventions and cannot be prosecuted for war crimes they commit. Their horrors compel me to call it Islamonazism, not simply Islamofascism (radical Islam). It helps to drive the point home.

War is never politically correct.

[weenie]

But even more substantively, it is a spiritual war against the forces of Satan.

I agree completely! That is the heart of this war.

[USF]

Thanks the ping weenie.... I look forward to any positive developments. ;o)

[Fred Nerks]

That was a great post, thanks Happy, I hope all the apologists also read it.

[Centurion2000]

For example, the Koran1 gives four conflicting accounts of Muhammad’s call to be a prophet [the word, Sura, means chapter]:

Suras 53 and 81 — God, or Allah as he is called in Arabic, personally appeared to Muhammad.

Suras 16 and 26 — The call was from the Holy Spirit.

Sura 15 — Angels issued the call.

Sura 2 — Gabriel was the one who appeared to him.

Criminy. L Ron Hubbard's books have more consistency than this guy.

[Happy2BMe]

I'll check with Tom Cruz on this . .

[Fred Nerks]

I like the little story I read about how Hubbard began his cult. Seems he sketched the outline for Scientology onto a table napkin at dinner with a friend. True or not?

[Fred Nerks]

Islam discovered America!

http://www.islam101.com/history/muslim_us_hist.html

[weenie]

Happy, what happened to this thread? Your big post earlier (I read the whole thing) was great. Weegee also had some profound comments.

Forgive my bluntness, but those of us who think the same way (about the demonic nature of the enemy) seem to broach the subject and then back away (me included)...

Send me a private comment if you would rather not reply publicly (same for the rest of you).

[weegee]

I've posted such comments on earlier threads.

After a couple of days, I am usually onto a new thread. I'll respond to comments on my comments, but I've generally said what else I need to after a few days.

[weenie]

Weegee...I usually read your posts regarding this subject when I find them...

There are only a handful of people that seem to be like-minded about the thing behind Islam and each of these people (as I said before) puts the matter out there...but when they do, no one picks up the bait.

This is selfish I guess, but I think this train of thought is quite important and would like to see it move forward.

[valkyrieanne]

[weegee]

I'm not up on prophecy of the the Second Coming or the coming of the AntiChrist but I feel quite comfortable identifying Islam as the religion of "an" antiChrist if it is not "the" antiChrist. Islam incorporates elements of Christian texts yet denies the divinity of Jesus and the salvation we are all granted by the resurrection (because Mohammed disavowed the resurrection; I don't even recall if they believe Jesus was crucified).

Since I am not up on prophecy, I could not say if the timeline would be too long for Mohammed to be THE antiChrist. Mohammed was "the last prophet" so there won't be another muslim AntiChrist to come along and rile up the muslims (they wouldn't listen to him).

Another bit about prophecy, many Jews don't seem to be too concerned about looking for the First Coming; Christians believe that prophecy in the Old Testament foretold the coming of Jesus.

I believe that when the Second Coming does happen, Jews and Christians will be on the same page (agreeing He is here). Unfortunately, according to prophecy the AntiChrist will lead well intentioned followers astray. Billions have been sent on the wrong path over history following Islam.

I don't believe that merely being on "the wrong path" is justification to outlaw an ideology. Those who practice astrology are largely a non-threatening misguided lot.

Islam is a political/legal system that differentiates between muslims and everyone else under the law. Nazi Germany placed Jews on a lower rung on the legal ladder too.

[fire_eye]

Hey... I've got an idea.

What we need to do, to really put the islamikazis through the roof, is to name one of our missiles "Great Satan". You know, like "Long March" or "No Dong" or whatever it is the Koreans use - ?

It would work really well if we could attach the name to an antipersonnel assassination weapon like the Israelis have got for taking out whichever bearded goat the Paleslimians are worshipping at the moment.

The best part would be forcing Brokaw/Jennings/Rather/Goebbels/etc to respin their propaganda as per:

"The heroic islamic freedom fighter was hit by a Great Satan missile fired by..."

"US Marines today fired Great Satan missiles into enemy positions, killing and wounding thousands of innocent women and children..."

Just to make those creeps say it on TV alone, would be worth it - not to mention how the "Arab Street" would react...

[weenie]

I believe that when the Second Coming does happen, Jews and Christians will be on the same page (agreeing He is here.

I have read a good bit of what those who study prophecy have to say and, thus far, it sounds, at best, scattered and confused. However, regarding this stuff, I think those who study might be lagging behind those who are observing and making notes.

There are those of us who have this insight...and some of these call this thing a calling...

That is a personal thing (though I believe it is a calling)...

But whatever it is...some people see what is happening for what it is...and the rest miss it entirely.

Pardon me for being forward, but I know where you fall out on this continuum as do you...(same for me).

Those of us that think alike need to cut this thing to the bone.

Thx for responding...

Jon

[Fred Nerks]

LOL! I got as far as the bearded goat and cracked up. But you're onto something. I recall an Israeli woman with whom I used to correspond, telling me that we can't humiliate the arabs enough, taking their idiocy seriously just seems to spur them on.

"The herioc islamic freedom fighter was hit by a Great Satan missile fired by..."

Could hit two 'birds' with the same 'stone'.

[Happy2BMe]

* * *

The Evidence: Chronology of Attacks on the West * * *

The Koran / The Hadith on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Christ, the Gospel, The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

"The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[3.85] "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

The Dinner Table - [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29

".... I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8:12

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73

"When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47:4

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34

" Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued." - Koran 9: 29

"....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Koran 98: 1-8

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

"And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. " - Koran 31-37

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." - Koran, 5:33-34)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." - Koran, 8:37

According to the New Testament of the Bible, the God of Israel has a Son - Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran

Therefore the Biblical New Testament Christian God of Israel is not Allah

"They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful." - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]

"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

Say: "Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!" - Koran 17: 111

Further that he may warn those (also) who say "Allah hath begotten a son": - Koran 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it "Be" and it is. - Koran 19: 35

They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91

he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour (last human battle on Earth) will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 595:
Narrated 'Aisha:

(the mother of the faithful believers) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We consider Jihad as the best deed." The Prophet said, "The best Jihad (for women) is Hajj Mabrur. "

The Hadith Volume 2, Book 26, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet was asked, "Which is the best deed?" He said, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle." He was then asked, "Which is the next (in goodness)?" He said, "To participate in Jihad in Allah's Cause." He was then asked, "Which is the next?" He said, "To perform Hajj-Mabrur. "