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NJ Ruling deals a blow to DNA law, Felons can have samples destroyed after prison sentence
Newark Star Ledger ^ | 12.23.04

Posted on 12/27/2004 1:58:25 PM PST by Coleus

Criminals can demand that their DNA samples be destroyed after they complete their prison sentences, a state judge ruled yesterday.

The ruling by Superior Court Judge Jack Sabatino, who sits in Mercer County, severely limits a 2003 law that requires everyone convicted of a crime to submit a DNA sample.

"Once a felon has paid his or her debt to society and has fully resumed civilian life, the state's right to maintain that person's DNA sample withers," Sabatino wrote.

Attorney General Peter Harvey said he will "immediately" appeal the ruling, saying it undermines the whole purpose of maintaining a DNA database: "To determine if a career criminal has done it again."

Harvey said that it if is upheld, the decision would thwart the state's efforts to catch "serial murderers, serial robbers, serial burglars" and could jeopardize more than $10 million in federal funding.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which feared the law would allow the state to indefinitely keep sensitive genetic information on everyone who had ever been convicted of any crime, hailed the ruling as a significant, if partial, victory.

Harvey contended that mug shots and fingerprints are kept long after a convict completes parole and DNA samples should be as well. DNA "is the 21st century fingerprint, and it's more accurate," he said.

"A DNA sample has the scientific capacity, whether it is utilized by the government or not, to reveal far more information about a person than his or her outward appearance or the contours of his or her fingerprints," Sabatino wrote. "Subjected to certain laboratory analyses, a DNA sample may expose massive amounts of private traits such as a person's family history, health and propensity for certain diseases."

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Technical; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: aclu; courts; criminals; dna; dnalaw; donutlist; donutwatch; felons; leo; mercercounty; newjersey; nj; njcourts; privacy; privacyrights; righttoprivacy
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I wonder how the liberal NJ Supreme Court will rule on this?

1 posted on 12/27/2004 1:58:26 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I have mixed feelings aobut this issue. There is way too much intrusion by the government already, and I'm loath to have more.


2 posted on 12/27/2004 2:02:33 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism has metastasized into a dangerous neurosis which threatens the nation's security)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I left the service 22 years ago can I get my fingerprints removed?


3 posted on 12/27/2004 2:12:27 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Balding_Eagle
Criminals can demand that their DNA samples be destroyed after they complete their prison sentences, a state judge ruled yesterday.

If you cannot connect the dots why should you be able to have a unlimited source to choose from?

4 posted on 12/27/2004 2:12:27 PM PST by rocksblues (RINO's = McCain, Lott, Collins, Hagel, Coleman ! developing)
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To: Coleus

Idiot judge.

As stated in the article, DNA in this context is for identification. It is no different than a fingerprint for this purpose.

That it can be used to determine a person's susceptibility to certain genetic diseases seems comprehensively irrelevant when what we're trying to do is catch a rapist.


5 posted on 12/27/2004 2:13:06 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: Coleus

We are going further and further away from sanity.

It's like the anti-three-strikes law.


6 posted on 12/27/2004 2:13:42 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Because I fly, I envy no (wo)man on earth. - Anon)
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To: Coleus
I am sure this will help drive down the crime rate in NJ. FReepers in NJ get out now.
7 posted on 12/27/2004 2:17:54 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: rocksblues

Re: Your tag line. Specter sir, I repeat Specter!!!


8 posted on 12/27/2004 2:19:18 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Note to GOP "Deliver or perish" Re: Specter I guess the GOP "chooses" to perish)
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To: Mark in the Old South

Noted!


9 posted on 12/27/2004 2:21:16 PM PST by rocksblues (RINO's = McCain, Lott, Collins, Hagel, Coleman, Specter ! developing)
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To: Restorer
"A DNA sample has the scientific capacity, whether it is utilized by the government or not, to reveal far more information about a person than his or her outward appearance or the contours of his or her fingerprints," Sabatino wrote.

So ban the government from so utilizing the sample, at least without court permission and appropriate safeguards. The ID use can be maintained. By the courts logic they should purge the entire criminal record after time is served. Never again charge anyone with 2nd offense anything. Even for NJ courts this is too much.

10 posted on 12/27/2004 2:27:50 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

You got it. Police DNA should be used only for purposes that will help catch criminals. I see little or no difference from fingerprints when used for this purpose.

Except that it's a lot easier to leave DNA lying around.

Ask Clinton.


11 posted on 12/27/2004 2:31:00 PM PST by Restorer (Europe is heavily armed, but only with envy.)
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To: Coleus

If they policy is to collect the DNA of those convicted of crimes, how does one become an "ex-convict"?

If one is a murderer, how does on become an ex-murderer?

Bill Clinton cheated on his wife, when will he be an ex-cheat?

Just because a criminal pays a fine, or does some time, the fact will remain forever, that he committed a crime.

If one wishes to avoid being tagged a criminal, the answer is really simple.


12 posted on 12/27/2004 2:31:17 PM PST by Mark was here (My tag line was about to be censored.)
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To: rocksblues
You left out the worse of the Maine twins. Snowe knows she's a RHINO. Collins just votes however her lib 'friends' tell her to do, but isn't bright enough to realize that makes her a RHINO. And you left out the furthest left (after Jeffords jumped) RHINO, Chafee. Lott isn't a RHINO; he just needs his vocabulary restricted to 2 more words than he has cajones. His voting record is good; if all he could say was "yea" or "nay" he'd be a great senator. Coleman is probably the best we can currently hope to get from his state. AZ, NE and PA can do better. CT and probably ME should switch and become the RAT's problems.
13 posted on 12/27/2004 2:49:07 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (I)
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To: JohnBovenmyer
I only add RINO's to my list that have blatantly crossed the line.
14 posted on 12/27/2004 2:57:54 PM PST by rocksblues (RINO's = McCain, Lott, Collins, Hagel, Coleman, Specter ! developing)
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To: Mrs Mark

I agree. The whole idea that doing prison time is "paying one's debt to society" is pernicious nonsense. It's not like paying your electric bill.


15 posted on 12/27/2004 3:11:45 PM PST by omega4412
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To: Coleus
The real issue here is the judge doesn't understand the difference between the coded summaries of the DNA "fingerprint" (from which no information can be deduced about what particular genes the person has, but which identifies a person distinguishably from others) and the actual DNA (or a full sequencing of it).

Unfortunately, this is a case where the judge appears to have made an erroneous finding of fact, not sure if that can be overturned on appeal as it could be if he had been wrong on the law.

16 posted on 12/27/2004 3:27:50 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Coleus

New Jersey? LOL When are you all going to learn that there is no law in that state?


17 posted on 12/27/2004 3:42:11 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: Coleus
"Once a felon has paid his or her debt to society and has fully resumed civilian life, the state's right to maintain that person's DNA sample withers," Sabatino wrote

I suppose that applies to fingerprints and mug shots as well.

18 posted on 12/27/2004 5:46:40 PM PST by itsahoot (There are some things more painful than the truth, but I can't think of them.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
There is way too much intrusion by the government already,

When you get convicted of a felony you lose rights. It's quite different to have a database of the DNA samples of convicted felons rather than just people who have been arrested.

19 posted on 12/27/2004 5:48:06 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Coleus

judgejms@crab.rutgers.edu


What does crab.rutgers mean?


20 posted on 12/27/2004 5:51:39 PM PST by WildTurkey
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