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To: chris1
Yes they are. Corporate America wants to bring these people in to pay low wages and liberals want them here as new welfare cases, i.e. new voters for Democrats.

God forbid an American gets decent wage to clean the S%$%^ off a toilet.

And what if some paisan, found a way, instead of paying an hourly wage to clean the sh!t out of toilet, but paid the paisan or hispano for the # of toilets cleaned using technology. I surmise you would think that that paisan or hispano are evil, since it is not an hourly wage.

JMO, you shouldn't, you should learn a word called productivity, instaed of being stuck in the FDR 30's.

73 posted on 12/27/2004 11:39:13 AM PST by Dane
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To: Dane

You must be a liberal becuase you always shift the argument. What we are discussing is the fact that Corporate America wants this worker program so as to avoid paying higher wages to Americans. They could care less if 50 or 100 cram into a tenement or live like animals.

If they find a way to clean toilets faster, good for them, but they have thus far not discovered a way to do that.

Wait till your job goes to some illegal willing to work for a fraction of the wage you get paid. You will sing a different tune amigo.


81 posted on 12/27/2004 11:46:47 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Dane
"productivity"

Funny you should mention productivity in an illegal (read cheap) labor thread. Funny because cheap labor is the enemy of productive labor. Why would anyone invests in technology or innovative procedures when they can just use cheap labor instead? If you care to research this at all just look at the difference between the high (relatively) labor north and the cheap (slave) labor south in pre civil war USA. One can learn a get deal studying history, one sees the north inventing, innovating, building factories etc but the south doesn't it relies instead on cheap labor. Also interesting to note that the use of slave labor also impoverished free white (and black) labor since free labor had to compete with slave labor.

Bottom line is cheap labor = poor society. Now maybe yall what to be poor, but I'd knida like to remain middle class, but that is going to be difficult with the all out assault on the middle class that the Bush administration has undertaken. I don't think Bush means to put the US middle class in the poor house but that will be the result of his economic policies. Unfortunately for us, Bush is clueless about middle America and completely out of touch with reality, kinda like his dad. A good man, means well but just plain clueless.

99 posted on 12/27/2004 11:59:04 AM PST by jpsb
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