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Bush faces GOP fight over guest workers
AP via Bakersfield.com ^ | 12/27/2004 | TOM RAUM

Posted on 12/27/2004 9:23:23 AM PST by calcowgirl

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush faces a major rebellion within his own party if he follows through on a promise to push legislation that would offer millions of illegal immigrants a path to U.S. citizenship. Almost no issue divides Republicans as deeply.

To get the guest-worker initiative through Congress, Bush will need to go against the wishes of many Republicans and forge bipartisan alliances. That's what President Clinton did in 1993 to win approval for a free trade agreement with Mexico and Canada, over objections of a large bloc of congressional Democrats.

The chance seems slim for finding common ground between those in favor of liberalized immigration laws - Bush, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for example - and those who want fewer immigrants, tougher border controls and harsher penalties.

Opposition is strongest among House Republicans.

"In our party, this is a deep division that is growing deeper every minute," says Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. He heads a group of 70 lawmakers who are against easing immigration laws.

Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick" and will not pass.

Bush asserts that he won valuable "political capital" in the election and intends to spend it. It is not clear how much of that he is willing to spend on the immigration measure.

Higher on his list of priorities is overhauling the Social Security system, rewriting the tax laws, limiting lawsuit judgments, and making his first-term tax cuts permanent.

An estimated 10 million immigrants live in the United States illegally; the vast majority are from Mexico, with an additional million arriving every year.

A hint of the trouble ahead for Bush on immigration came this month when proposals to tighten - not ease - border restrictions nearly undermined a bill to restructure U.S. intelligence agencies.

The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee wanted the measure to bar states from giving a driver's license to illegal immigrants. Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., said some of the Sept. 11 hijackers gained access to U.S. aircraft by using a driver's license as identification.

Sensenbrenner ultimately backed down, but only after House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill, promised that the chairman's proposal would be considered in separate legislation in 2005.

Hastert also indicated he would not move ahead on major legislation unless it was supported by a majority of Republicans in the GOP-controlled House - and that he would not rely on Democratic support to pass a bill.

Immigration overhaul is "an issue that splits both parties, and given the new Hastert rule, may never go anywhere," said William A. Niskanen, chairman of the libertarian Cato Institute. Niskanen was a member of President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers.

The president's plan would grant temporary-worker status, for three years to six years, to millions of undocumented workers. It also would it easier for those workers to get permanent U.S. citizenship.

As governor of Texas, Bush was committed to immigration changes. As president, he came close to making a deal with Mexican President Vicente Fox in the days before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Those plans were put on hold as tighter borders took on a higher priority for the United States.

As a presidential candidate, both in 2000 and 2004, Bush eagerly courted Hispanics, the fastest-growing ethnic group in the electorate.

"We will keep working to make this nation a welcoming place for Hispanic people, a land of opportunity para todos (for all) who live here in America," Bush told the League of United Latin American Citizens last summer.

Bush claimed 35 percent of Hispanic voters in 2000 and at least 40 percent last Nov. 2, according to exit polls. That compares with the 21 percent won by Bob Dole in 1996 and the 25 percent that Bush's father got in 1992.

Republican consultants suggest Bush will not make a big push for his immigration bill until he has achieved his goals on Social Security and the tax laws. They also say the president may jettison the immigration bill if it would jeopardize other parts of his agenda.

Inside the administration, nobody is suggesting that passing the immigration plan would be anything other than extremely difficult.

"We don't want to overpromise," Secretary of State Colin Powell said during a visit last month to Mexico City.

EDITOR'S NOTE — Tom Raum has covered Washington for The Associated Press since 1973, including five presidencies.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; bushamnesty; guestworker; immigration; immigrationplan; mccain; schwarzenegger; sensenbrenner; tancredo
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1 posted on 12/27/2004 9:23:24 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

I intend to fight my hardest to make sure the shamesty does not go thru.


2 posted on 12/27/2004 9:27:53 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: TXBSAFH

Ditto


3 posted on 12/27/2004 9:31:00 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn

Agree. Been through a major airport lately ?


4 posted on 12/27/2004 9:33:05 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: calcowgirl
GO TANCREDO!!
5 posted on 12/27/2004 9:40:29 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: calcowgirl
"In our party, this is a deep division that is growing deeper every minute," says Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. He heads a group of 70 lawmakers who are against easing immigration laws.
Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick" and will not pass.

Count me in on the side of the line drawn in the sand by Tancredo. Going to do everything I can to bring as many with me as possible.

6 posted on 12/27/2004 9:41:51 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (Tancredo said Bush's guest-worker proposal is "a pig with lipstick")
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To: calcowgirl

What is so hard about sealing the border?

If its a good idea to have a million new immigrants each year, then fine, make the argument. Lets have that discussion, nationally, publicly. What we must not do is simply accept that number because that happens to be the number that walk across the border.

Immigration policy must serve the interests of citizens. It should never be simply a tool for adjusting wages, or a means for undermining labor law, or a way to adjust voter demographics. It should serve the interests of citizens, and whatever number we arrive at, whether 300,000 a year, or ten times that number, the leadership should be able to explain how that number was arrived at, and why that number is the right one, and not some other.

Far from installing a guest-worker program, I would favor a moratorium on new immigrants for a few years, restricting it to family members of citizens, and a very few others.

The notion that immigrants take jobs that Americans don't want is a distortion of truth; they take jobs that Americans don't want at the price offered, and the conditions offered. Close off illegal immigration and wages for these jobs will exceed legal minimums without any need for a minimum wage law, as employers suddenly have to compete for workers.


8 posted on 12/27/2004 9:47:54 AM PST by marron
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To: DTogo

Tancredo isn't going to become President or anything else. His support is about as strong as Pat Buchanan's was which is about 1%-2%.


9 posted on 12/27/2004 9:49:10 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; SierraWasp; farmfriend; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester
The chance seems slim for finding common ground between those in favor of liberalized immigration laws - Bush, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for example - and those who want fewer immigrants, tougher border controls and harsher penalties.

With GOP help like this, we'll never solve California's financial problems.

10 posted on 12/27/2004 9:50:38 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl; jveritas
Must this same story be posted every 10 minutes?
11 posted on 12/27/2004 9:50:55 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: marron

"What is so hard about sealing the border?"

Do our politicians and our soldiers have the guts to shoot all Mexican males approaching the border?


12 posted on 12/27/2004 9:50:59 AM PST by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: calcowgirl
Looking at it from the gov't viewpoint the only reason I can see to legalize illegals is to make them taxpayers. If that's the case why not do it immediately? And just chuck the entire tax code for individuals and go to a national retail sales tax. Viola! All illegals and others that are tax dodgers are now taxpayers!

Over the years Bush has displayed a lot of good old-fashioned common sense. But not on this issue. He has yet to explain why he supports giving US citizenship to people that have broken our laws. Bush said: "Family values do not stop at the Rio Grande River..." <--What the heck does that mean? Where did he get that line? From Bill Clinton? Criminal intent does not stop at the borders, various diseases do not stop at the borders, etc.

One thing that MUST BE CHANGED is the asinine idea that whenever someone enters this country illegally and then has a child that child automatically become a US citizen. What a stupid idea that has always been.

13 posted on 12/27/2004 9:55:09 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Free Scott Peterson!!! In Iraq. Wearing an "Allah is the Devil" tee shirt.)
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To: COEXERJ145
Must this same story be posted every 10 minutes?

"Every 10 minutes"??? As far as I could determine, it wasn't posted before.

14 posted on 12/27/2004 9:58:17 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Stormzeye

Travelling this Christmas holiday, every clerk and helper in Seattle and Mpls was hearing some kind of middle eastern head scarf. Reminded me of Toronto.


15 posted on 12/27/2004 10:01:48 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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The president's plan would grant temporary-worker status, for three years to six years, to millions of undocumented workers. It also would it easier for those workers to get permanent U.S. citizenship.

The details are not yet available but I am totally against what is said so far. However I am against wholesale expulsions. New laws would just mean our government and business leaders have more laws to ignore as it suits their personal benefit.

The evidence of a 1990's explosion of ILLEGAL immigration is both quantifiable and tangible. The SSA's Earnings Suspense File (ESF) of W-2 data reported for phony / stolen SSNs jumped from a yearly average of around 10 billions in earrings to over 50 billions in earnings reported per year.

Given an average of $20,000 there would be 2.5 million ILLEGAL aliens working "on the books" by 2000. (There couldn't been that many marriages and other name changes without notifying SSA in the 1990s.)

Our government and businesses invited them in. IMO.

To me if a theater chain's governing board speaks publicly about the people's right to see good movies and then hinders management from always having a ticket seller at the door, well.. personally I don't call it criminal for the public to just walk in. The governing board effectively decreed that the rules be suspended.

Most probably don't agree but surely most will consider separating the real criminals among the ILLEGAL aliens from the workers. The workers can be further refined into "off books" and "on books". There's also a breakout of seasonal and permanent jobholders.

A one-size-fits-all solutions will not work.

16 posted on 12/27/2004 10:02:24 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: calcowgirl

It is a good thing there are still some in Washington that give a damn about our borders, our laws, our soverignty, our taxpayers, and our culture.

This is the U.S. of A...not Mexico!!! Why should the citizens of the U.S. tolerate law breakers, and Washington politicians that just want to pander for votes and paybacks at the expense of the REAL U.S. CITIZEN ???

BIG QUESTION: Why should I have to meet the requirements of citizenship if these Mexicans don't??? Are there TWO SETS OF LAWS IN WASHINGTON????


17 posted on 12/27/2004 10:02:37 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: calcowgirl

I am with you. I am just getting outraged over this nonsense. My Wife came from China, LELGALLY. She come with nothing, received her green card, learned the language, worked,paid taxes and never asked the govt for anything but a chance. She now runs her own business. She is just a PO'd about illegals this as I am.


18 posted on 12/27/2004 10:05:06 AM PST by ghitma (MeClaudius)
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To: marron
RE: "Immigration policy must serve the interests of citizens. It should never be simply a tool for adjusting wages, or a means for undermining labor law, or a way to adjust voter demographics."

That makes too much sense. Who are you? Are you from around these parts? :)

19 posted on 12/27/2004 10:09:57 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (MSM Fraudcasters are skid marks on journalism's clean shorts.)
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To: COEXERJ145
Tancredo isn't going to become President or anything else. His support is about as strong as Pat Buchanan's was which is about 1%-2%.

Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. He heads a group of 70 lawmakers who are against easing immigration laws.

Tancredo doesn't have to be the President to have an impact.

This caucus didn't even exist until about six years ago. He started it and it has grown. He will be a force to be reckoned with if any legislation is to get through the House.

20 posted on 12/27/2004 10:10:13 AM PST by Missouri
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