Posted on 12/26/2004 6:35:58 PM PST by Saberwielder
30 More Pakistani Soldiers to Get Death Penalty for Indiscipline
By M T Butt
ISLAMABAD, December 27: As many as 30 Pakistan Army and Air Force personnel are facing the death penalty in several Court Martial proceedings going on in Military Courts in the Kharian Army Cantonment, about 60 miles from Islamabad, highly competent military sources have revealed to South Asia Tribune.
In a remarkable release of confidential information, these sources also gave the details of the Charge Sheet against the only Army soldier sentenced to death by the same military court on October 20, 2004.
Surprisingly the Charge Sheet does not accuse Sepoy Muhammad Islam Siddiqi, Army No 8831068 of any direct participation or involvement in the attack on General Pervez Musharraf in December 2003 near Chaklala Bridge in Rawalpindi, contrary to what was claimed in the official announcement on December 24.
Director General of Pakistan Army’s Inter Services Public Relations, Major General Shaukat Sultan had confirmed on Dec 24 that one Pakistani soldier had been sentenced to death. Confirming the story first broken by Karachi journalist Syed Saleem Shahzad in Asia Times Online on December 21 about the death sentence, Maj. General Sultan had also announced that another soldier had been awarded a 10-year jail sentence. Click to see original Asia Times Story
But military sources are now saying the official version given by ISPR Director General was badly distorted and in fact more than 30 Army and Air Force personnel are have been charged with the same crime and will soon get the same sentence. Announcements about these death sentences will be staggered to minimize the impact.
The ISPR claimed that the death sentence had been given for involvement in the assassination attempt on General Musharraf but actually Sepoy Muhammad Islam Siddiqi had refused to serve in South Waziristan and was at best guilty of violating military discipline along with dozens of others.
The Army prosecutors who did not want to publicly admit that largescale defiance had taken place in South Waziristan where the Army had been deployed against the tribesmen, merged the indiscipline charges against these troops with the assassination attempts on General Musharraf and sought death sentences for the accused.
According to these sources the South Waziristan operation had turned out to be biggest dent in Army discipline when several units declined to be posted in South Waziristan and dozens of troops refused to continue the fight against tribes. The Army top brass was shaken and most of these troops were recalled from the front line.
Convicted Sepoy Islam Siddiqi was among them who was arrested in South Waziristan on defiance and abetting defiance among soldiers and sent to Kharian Cantonment where, after a brief interrogation, he was tried and convicted on October 20, 2004.
Following charges under the Pakistan Army Act (PAA) were read out by a Brigadier who headed the military court:
First Charge
PAA Section 59: Committing a civil offence, that is to say receiving training in terrorism, In that he, at Bhimber (Azad Jammu and Kashmir) during August 2002, received training in the acts of terrorism, at the “Maasker” a training camp of ‘Jaish-e- Mohammed’ a proscribed organization and thereby committed an offense punishable under sub-section (7) (C) of the Anti Terrorism Act, 1997.
Second Charge
PAA Sec 55 (alternative to first charge): Conduct to the prejudice of good order and military discipline, in that he at Bhimber (Azad Jammu and Kashmir) during August 2002, improperly attended at a ‘Maasker’, the training camp of a sectarian organization.
Third Charge
PAA Section 31(d): Attempting to seduce a person in the military forces of Pakistan from his allegiance to the Government of Pakistan, in that he at Peshawar, during Feb 2003 attempted to seduce 8839274 Sepoy Hafiz Muhammad Ashfaq of 2 Defence Services Guard Battalion, from his allegiance to the Government of Pakistan.
Fourth Charge
PAA Section 31(d): Attempting to seduce a person in the military forces of Pakistan from his allegiance to the Government of Pakistan, in that he, at Peshawar during Feb 2003 to January 2004 attempted to seduce 889174 sepoy Hafiz Salah Uddin of 1 Defence Services Guard Company, from his allegiance to the Government of Pakistan.
Fifth Charge
PAA Section 59: Committing a civil offence that is to say, professing to belong to a proscribed organization, in that he, at Peshawar, Murid and elsewhere, during January 2002 to January 2004 professed to belong to ‘Jaish-e-Mohammad’ a proscribed organization: and thereby committed an offence punishable under section 11-F (2) of the Anti Terrorism Act 1997.
Sixth Charge
PAA Section 59: Committing a civil offence that is to say being a citizen of Pakistan, departing from Pakistan without passport, in that he, at Pak-Afghan border, during June 1999, being a citizen of Pakistan, departed from Pakistan without a passport to Afghanistan in contravention of Section 3(a) of the Passport Act, 1974 and thereby committed an offence punishable under section 4(1) of the Passport Act, 1974.
Seventh Charge
PAA Section 55: Conduct to the prejudice of good order and military discipline at Murid, Peshawar and elsewhere during July 2002 to January 2004, improperly remained associated with a Tanzeem (organization) of Pakistan Air Force personnel, which was advancing the object of eliminating General Pervez Musharraf, the President of
Pakistan.
Eighth Charge
PAA Section 55 (alternative to seventh charge): Neglect to the prejudice of good order and military discipline in that he, at Murid, Warsak and elsewhere, during July 2002 to January 2004, having known that some personnel belonging to a Tanzeem of Pakistan Air Force had designs to eliminate General Pervez Musharraf, the President of Pakistan neglected to report the same to his superiors.
Ninth Charge
PAA Section 55: Conduct to the prejudice of good order and military discipline, in that he, at Peshawar during September-October 2003, improperly received 6 x capsules containing poison from No 3060314 Havaldar Mohammed Younis of 98 Air Defence Regiment with ulterior motives.
Military sources and legal experts contacted by the South Asia Tribune said if these charges were made the basis of the death sentence give to Sepoy Islam Siddiqi, then hundreds or even thousands of Pakistan Army troops could be found guilty and convicted.
These experts said the closest Sepoy Siddiqi came to the assassination attempt on General Musharraf was to get “associated with an organization of Pakistan Air Force personnel, which was advancing the object of eliminating General Pervez Musharraf, the President of Pakistan.” This in no way proves, or even accuses, Siddiqi of having a hand in the unsuccessful attempt on Musharraf.
They said if Siddiqi could be sentenced to death for being associated with the organization which had “designs of eliminating General Musharraf” then the entire organization would have to be found equally guilty and put to death.
Likewise if traveling to Afghanistan without a passport was made the basis of death sentence, the entire tribal population and three-fourth of residents of NWFP could be found guilty of the same crime as no one in the Tribal Areas needs a passport to cross into Afghanistan.
Similarly defying military orders to fight in South Waziristan against fellow tribal citizens could land hundreds of Pakistan Army troops into the same category deserving death penalties.
On a political level the charges against arrested soldiers also confirm that many members of the Pakistan armed forces have been actively training with military Islamic organizations like Jaish Mohammed in Azad Kashmir and other locations within Pakistan.
“This is an implicit admission by the Army that such camps existed and elements of the Army were directly involved in one capacity or another. This could substantiate charges leveled by the Indians of Army’s active support and involvement in the insurgency in Kashmir,” a legal expert said.
Even if these elements were not supported by the top Army brass, it confirms that there were factions within the Army which did not follow the official Army and State policy and that could also turn out to be very damaging for Pakistan.
Since you've retracted your irrational accusation that the soldiers mentioned in the article "held the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads", its time for you now to deal with your remaining defamation against Mushi, and Bush's foreign policy in Pakistan, and answer the question...
--Boot Hill
Since you claim the nukes are normally kept disassembled (LOL), how could anyone hold the keys to "about a 100 nuclear warheads" if they were both disassembled and stored separately, as you claim
Firstly, most experts agree with my claim that Pakistan's nukes are disassembled - meaning that the core and the triggering mechanism are not mated to the warhead shell and are kept in separate locations. When a valuable item has components A and B and both are stored in separate places, the people who guard the location of A and the location of B hold the keys to the valuable item. And the people who guard these facilities are lower level officers and enlisted men. Ergo, they hold the keys to Pakistan's nukes. As simple as 1+1=2. And what follows is that any sign of large scale insubordination and Islamist tendencies among these people is cause for serious concern from the point of view of preventing nukes or nuclear fuel getting into Al Qaeda hands.
This is the third time you have shifted the goalposts and the third time I answered our changing queries.
perhaps it's time now for you to return to some of your unfinished work you've been ducking.
Perhaps you need to practice what you preach and explain your claims on post# 30 and my specific posers to you which you have been ducking.
| 8 | “It is a well known fact that except in times of war, Pakistan stores these warheads in parts...” --Saberwielder at #40 |
| 8 | “most experts agree with my claim that Pakistan's nukes are disassembled” --Saberwielder at #82 |
LOL, that's called "back-peddling"! Pretty soon it's going to be "my cousin Vinny told me"! Maybe it's time for you to post a link. If, as you say, it is such a "well known fact", it should be easy for a man of your talent to find a link.
| 8 | “When a valuable item has components A and B and both are stored in separate places, the people who guard the location of A and the location of B hold the keys to the valuable item.” |
Here's just a few of your logic errors...
For those reasons, your obfuscation doesn't even come close to answering the question. Try again...
Since you claim the nukes are normally kept disassembled (LOL), how could anyone hold the keys to "about a 100 nuclear warheads" if they were both disassembled and stored separately, as you claim?
Waiting...
--Boot Hill
"If "nothing but lip service" equals delivery of Abu Zubaydah, Hambali, and al-Nashiri (IIRC), to name a few, then I'll take some more of Mushy's service. (<<<Things that sound dirty, but aren't!)"
---If u r are happy with the thought that Pakistan tosses u a middle level Talib every now and then (one big name every couple of months) then maybe u can continue enjoying "Mushy's service". No problem with that but just dont say that u r aware of the reality.
Cos the reality is that Al Qaida losses nothing if a few hardcores are handed over or killed. This isnt anything new. The mujaheedins have been losing hundreds and thousands of men in Afganistan, Kasmir Checneya and elsewhere. For ages they can afford to loose their top level guys and still have an endless supply of people to replace them.
And this is because of a very very efficient and well funded terrorist training infrastructure that is beyond doubt still maintained by their establishment (Army and ISI). India has decades of experiance fighting these scumbags. The terrorist groups are NOTHING without the backing of their Army, the ISI and their entire establishment. A few terrorist camps being dismantled under the glare of the media means nothing. In the occupied Kasmir region it doesnt take much time to proliferate new terrorist training camps. And every other day the Indian Army learns about a new offshoot terrorist group propping up and announcing their presence at the cost of civilian live. And there is no let down yet in Kashmir in so far as such activities are concerned. Because those lives arnt American so maybe they dont matter to U but do not educate us about the reality in OUR part of the world.
Handing over or killing a few hardcore makes AL Quaida even more stronger. Martyrdom is a very sacred or cherished concept in Islam. And every martyrdom draws more public support and more popular anti-American anger. Just what the Al Qaida wants?
This is "Jihaad" remember? Are u aware of the philosophy of JIHAAD? A jihaad is a war that is not supposed to stop until every single humanbeing is converted to islam or eleminated... regardless of the price the muslim world has to pay in order to achieve this goal.
Millions of young minds are taught this ideology everyday in thousands of madrahsas across Pakistan even now. Now u know where their real source of power comes from. U can continue being happy with ur "Bush and Mush can do no wrong" fantasy.
Like the old adage, I dont mind being proved wrong in my skepticism but I rather not live in a "fools world".
One last thought, just how long is America planning to fight this war? Or is America also planning to fight a never ending war like those "jihaadis"?
I dont see the American soldiers comming back home from that region anytime soon unless they decide to stop appeasing Musharaaf and "take the bull by the horns" or unless they decide to leave the job incomplete and get the hell out (in which case it would be diastrous).
"If "nothing but lip service" equals delivery of Abu Zubaydah, Hambali, and al-Nashiri (IIRC), to name a few, then I'll take some more of Mushy's service. (<<<Things that sound dirty, but aren't!)"
---If u r are happy with the thought that Pakistan tosses u a middle level Talib every now and then (one big name every couple of months) then maybe u can continue enjoying "Mushy's service". No problem with that but just dont say that u r aware of the reality.
Cos the reality is that Al Qaida losses nothing if a few hardcores are handed over or killed. This isnt anything new. The mujaheedins have been losing hundreds and thousands of men in Afganistan, Kasmir Checneya and elsewhere. For ages they can afford to loose their top level guys and still have an endless supply of people to replace them.
And this is because of a very very efficient and well funded terrorist training infrastructure that is beyond doubt still maintained by their establishment (Army and ISI). India has decades of experiance fighting these scumbags. The terrorist groups are NOTHING without the backing of their Army, the ISI and their entire establishment. A few terrorist camps being dismantled under the glare of the media means nothing. In the occupied Kasmir region it doesnt take much time to proliferate new terrorist training camps. And every other day the Indian Army learns about a new offshoot terrorist group propping up and announcing their presence at the cost of civilian live. And there is no let down yet in Kashmir in so far as such activities are concerned. Because those lives arnt American so maybe they dont matter to U but do not educate us about the reality in OUR part of the world.
Handing over or killing a few hardcore makes AL Quaida even more stronger. Martyrdom is a very sacred or cherished concept in Islam. And every martyrdom draws more public support and more popular anti-American anger. Just what the Al Qaida wants?
This is "Jihaad" remember? Are u aware of the philosophy of JIHAAD? A jihaad is a war that is not supposed to stop until every single humanbeing is converted to islam or eleminated... regardless of the price the muslim world has to pay in order to achieve this goal.
Millions of young minds are taught this ideology everyday in thousands of madrahsas across Pakistan even now. Now u know where their real source of power comes from. U can continue being happy with ur "Bush and Mush can do no wrong" fantasy.
Like the old adage, I dont mind being proved wrong in my skepticism but I rather not live in a "fools world".
One last thought, just how long is America planning to fight this war? Or is America also planning to fight a never ending war like those "jihaadis"?
I dont see the American soldiers comming back home from that region anytime soon unless they decide to stop appeasing Musharaaf and "take the bull by the horns" or unless they decide to leave the job incomplete and get the hell out (in which case it would be diastrous).
You're going to lecture ME on reality when you don't even know who these thugs are? Okay, Prof.
"You're going to lecture ME on reality when you don't even know who these thugs are? Okay, Prof."
===U think u know a lot? Huh....Dude? Check this out. Hambali and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri was NEITHER arrested in Pakistan nor by Pakistanis(Mushy and Co.). Hambali was arrested in Thailand. Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri was arrested in the United Arab Emirates.
Try to get some general knowledge befor u post this kind of stuff.
Hambali => An Indonesian national also known as Riduan Isamuddin recognized as the terror group's top operative in Southeast Asia, operational brain behind the Jemmah Islamiyah (JI) and suspected of being responsible for planning the lethal bombing of a Bali nightclub and the bombing of Marriott hotel in Jakarta. He was arrested in the ancient Thai capital of Ayutthaya.
Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri => An al Qaeda "top 10" of leaders according to CNN. Al-Qaida's Persian Gulf operations chief who believed to have been heavily involved in the planning of the bombing of the USS Cole. Al-Nashiri, a Saudi, was captured in November 2002 in the United Arab Emirates. Al-Nashiri was arrested based on intelligence provided by Saudi authorities. Besides the Cole attack, he is suspected of helping direct the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, U.S. officials say.
Abu Zubaydah => Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Husayn Abu Zubaydah is a Palestinian long believed to be one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants. Experts think Abu Zubaydah became al-Qaeda's chief of military operations after Muhammed Atef was killed in a U.S. bombing raid on Afghanistan in Nov. 2001. Early in 2002, intelligence experts said Abu Zubaydah was reorganizing the far-flung remnants of the al-Qaeda network to plan further terrorist actions. He is suspected of helping plan a wave of incidents that was to have taken place after Sept. 11, 2001, including attacks on the American embassies in Paris and Sarajevo.
Arrested on 28 March 2002 in Faislabad, Pakistan. (so that was two years ago) And its now 2005.
Next time try not to argue about the virtues of the Pakistani government with an Indian. We know the pakis better than u. Indians have taken bodybags againts those scums.
Hambali had been in Thailand about a month when he was arrested, yes. Pakistan then arrested his brother and almost 20 other suspected terrorists.
Al-Nashiri had the "IIRC" caveat after his name, meaning I was going from memory and was not sure I was correct. I was not.
That still doesn't mean a thing. Pakistan has captured and turned over, just to name a few:
-Abu Zubaydah (not a middle-level Taliban member)
-Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (not a middle-level Taliban member)
-Ahmed Ghailani (not a middle-level Taliban member)
-Naeem Noor Khan (not a middle-level Taliban member)
-Amjad Farooqi (not a middle-level Taliban member)
I've said nothing about Pakistan's virtues. You're just completely blinded by your anger/hatred toward that government, dude.
We just use the word "talib" as a slang for these guys incase u didnt get it.
"You're just completely blinded by your anger/hatred toward that government, dude."
===Granted my post seem to reflect so,but then my brother-in-law died in Kargil. Heard of Kargil war?..... Or not interested?
I would love to see how u would have reacted had....... (god forbid) u lost someone in Iraq and I was singing peans for Saddam Hussein.
All I am trying to say is that by capturing a few high/middle level "talibs" u wont be seeing the last of them. The ranks keep filling so long as the terror factories are maintained and supported by their mentor "Pakistani establishment". Thats what we learnt in Kashmir. U have to hit the SOURCE. Until U have done that u havent won the WOT.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is saying we have won the war on terror.
The Pakistani jihadist leader in whose house Abu Zubaydah was found sheltered, Hameedullah Khan Niazi, was not arrested and is still free.
The Lashkar-e-Taiba people in whose safe house Ahmad Khalfan Ghailani was found, were never arrested
The Jamaat-i-Islami leaders in whose house KSM was arrested from, are still free.
The two Salafist madrassahs in Karachi where Hambali's brother Gunawan and his cohorts were arrested are still open and recruiting students from South East Asia.
Many reports say that Amjad Farooqi could have been taken alive but was killed to prevent him from singing on his ISI "handlers."
The Hydra will grow another head.
I could certainly believe that. The ISI is undoubtedly still quite rotten.
Let me add just one more thing here since u seem to enjoy "Mushy's service" so much.
If the Pakistan Army wants to really shut down the terror camps, they will only need a week to do that. Why? Very simple ..... because they (Army & ISI) are the life support. Why then would Pakistan carry on this sham of fighing terrorists? Simple they want to have the cake as well as eat it. Didnt get it?
Let me explain, Americas so called "WOT" is a nice way for Pakistan to gain importance in American eyes and thereby "sucker" America for billions of dollars in aid which their "dictator" will uses to fill their own coffers and the remaining will be used against India. U may have no love for India but out here we have a civilised democracy to protect. Allow me to be blunt, If u guys think u have bought friendship of the pakistani people with those billion dollars then God help U. Remember Danile Perl ?
So long as this "WOT" crap goes on Pakistan assumes the imporatnce of being Americas "front running" ally. Can u think of any other global status this bankrupt,unstable failed state can ever dream of? The day this war is over Pakistan is as good as Ethiopia to American eyes. America will have as much to do with Pakistan as much as it has to do with Ethiopia now. Why then would Pakistan want this war to end? Logical?
To prolong this war on terrorism Pakistan needs to keep alive the terror factory and terror network to the extent possible despite American pressure. For that it only needs to toss a few "talibs" at the American (in return for the aid) that would be enough to make the Americans happy. That way it gets the aid and also get to keep the terrorists as a weapon against India.
I understand that u neednt give a damm about India and that our terrorists arent exactly terrorist in your eyes. Fine we can live with that, but it pisses me off when someone tells us how much Pakistan has done for the "WOT". Hell, then what have we done when we picked up 60,000 bodybags in the last couple of decades fighting terrorists in Kashmir.
"Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is saying we have won the war on terror."
===This way, U never will.
Yes. Nuclear power/proliferator and missile proliferator.
Had ur tax payers hard earned money not been comming in a big way to give them free lunch in return for pulling the "9/11" on u guys, they would have been chewing their darn nukes for dinner.
Ur one one-liners arnt proving any point.
Of course they are. And it's apparently bothering you quite a bit. :-)
“This is serious stuff. These guys hold the keys to about a 100 nuclear warheads!” --Saberwielder at #1
Whether "these guys" refers to the individuals referred to in your article or "lower level officers and enlisted men", in general, you have offered NO PROOF, whatsoever, that "these guys" had any direct access to nuclear weapons or even nuclear weapon components, nor that any of them had any command authority nor the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device.
Your willful failure to directly retract this defamation, means it will stand as a glaring example of the lies you promulgate here on FR, whose only purpose is to undermine the Bush doctrine in Pakistan. Your hatred of Mushi and Pakistan overrides your professed support for the GWOT.
You have branded yourself as dishonest.
--Boot Hill
Maybe it's time for you to post a link. If, as you say, it is such a "well known fact", it should be easy for a man of your talent to find a link.
People that say that Pakistan stores its warheads with cores removed from the detonation assembly include: David Albright, Steve Cohen, Michael Krepon, Rodney Jones, Peter Lavoy, Ashley Tellis, Feroz H. Khan, Mahmud Durrani among others. If you go to Project Muse or any scholarly publication database, you can find copious references from the above experts. In essence, the consensus view is the sometime in late 2001/early 2002, Pakistanis disassembled all their warheads and dispersed them to separate locations to both prevent against a decapitating first strike as well as for general security against accidental discharge. Also see the links below:
Having the "keys" to a nuclear warhead is term of art meaning you have command authority and the security codes necessary to launch and/or detonate a nuclear device. Lower level officers and enlisted men don't have such keys.
Wrong. You are changing the ground again with your own definition. For a terrorist group, the goal is to get or make a nuclear or radiological device. They will likely be overjoyed to get a uranium core or two. In case you have forgotten, thanks to A.Q.Khan and his Pakistani facilitators, a workable, proven design for a simple nucler bomb - with detailed specs is available in the open market. See this
"This design would be highly useful to countries such as Iran and North Korea," said Albright, whose Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security has studied the nonconventional weapons programs of both states. The design "appears deliverable by North Korea's Nodong missile, Iran's Shahab-3 missile and ballistic missiles Iraq was pursuing just prior to the 1991 Persian Gulf War," he said.Such a relatively simple design also might be coveted by terrorist groups who seek nuclear weapons but lack the technical sophistication or infrastructure to build a modern weapon, said one Europe-based weapons expert familiar with the blueprints. While such a bomb would be difficult to deliver by air, "you could drive it away in a pickup truck," the expert said.
In other words, terrorists don't need complete warheads and launch codes because they are unlikely to use missiles to hit us. It would, however, be a bonanza for the terrorists if they could just get the cores or enough HEU, both of which are likely guarded by people at the same level as those bing tried. In case you don't know, PAL's are only for detonation mechanisms, not lead containers or Uranium storage facilities.
What makes you think the guards would even have access to those parts? They would guard the facility, not the parts. Security and access are layered like an onion.
And what makes you think that the guards don't? According to Feroz Hassan Khan (who until recently was with the Pakistan army Strategic Plans Division) and Mahmud Durrani (Retired Major General with Pak army recently on a visit to the US), Pakistan has authorized field commanders (Colonel or Brigadier level) to use nuclear weapons in case an enemy (India or even the US) launches a preemptive decapitating strike on the capital. In a presentation in Washington recently, Durrani said this when asked about the type of people guarding these facilities and I quote: "There is an urgent need to improve the technical skills of personnel charged with the security of nuclear installations and develop an institutional security culture."
What follows is that there are ways for the mid level army officers to get access to the launch codes, if they don't have them already. Durrani also said that airforce pilots can bypass the two-man code system because they need to. The arrested people included many PAF men, adding to the concern.
In addition, every available report (ISIS, Carnegie, Monterrey Institute, Stimson Center etc) indicates that Pakistan's facilities and nuclear estate in general is woefully unsafeguarded and also the Pakistanis have issued a redline to us that stops short of giving us access to the physical facilities. While it is one thing for Musharraf to agree to install PALs on detonation assemblies, it is another thing for him to allow American individuals access to locations. The Pakistani troops would likely go berserk if they saw a foreigner trying to enter their Fort Knox. They won't even give us a teeny weeny Uranium sample so that we can nail the Iranians on their lies, for crying out loud.
If hundreds of Pakistani troops, including those at Colonel level can sympathize with the jihadists enough to face death, why is it unlikely that a group of men guarding one of the many Pakistani facilities would not fulfil a dream to help out their fellow muslim fighters with some uranium or cores? All it takes is one group to turn. Are you prepared to say that this will never happen?
Even if two guards in two separate localities somehow managed to gain access to the parts without triggering all manner of alarms, they would have to steal the correct trigger for the correct core, and they would have to steal both of these items at the same time, and they would have to meet together later to assemble the device, and they would have to know how to assemble it. But most importantly, they'd have to be able to defeat the security interlocks that were designed by people far more experienced and far smarter than someone who didn't even have enough talent to do better in life than being a security guard.
Wrong again, as explained above. There are open market bomb designs available, with the minutest level of detail including the type of fasteners to use and the torque and machining precision required. This was also courtesy of Pakistan. So why would any terrorist group waste efforts to acquire a full warhead when all they have to get is the core or enough fuel? Even a crude bomb with a few pounds of HEU could kill and maim thousands in an urban population center.
In conclusion, despite the likelihood that Pakistan's nukes are dispersed, jihadist sympathies and insubordination trends in the low to mid level of Pakistan soldiers that likely guard the facilities, poses a particular and severe threat to the US. These people could and, if the right opportunity comes up, would seek to help those who wish us greivous harm. Ergo, they hold the keys to Pakistan's dangerous nukes.
You are the one who still refuses to answer pointed questions addressed to you, not me.
You are the one hiding behind "forum policy" in order to avoid backing up your claim.
You are the one who stated that it was against forum policy to ask a person to answer to a question from another thread and then turned around and did exactly that.
Finally, who said that I'll not reply to #83. It is right above. All I needed was a bit of time to write a detailed riposte.
Nope, they arnt bothering me. Just that they arnt making your argument any stronger. U can carry on with your one liners.
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