Eurofacism in its own words

Misc | 25 Dec 04 | various

[jb6]

In their own words, the founders of the Fourth Reich tell us what they think and plan. Scary stuff when you think of the resources these guys now have. Wait till the power is totally in their hands and all of Europe is under their heel, then you'll see an end to the short work week and a massive remiliterization.

JB6

"The Federated Republic of Europe - the United States of Europe - that is what must be. National autonomy no longer suffices. Economic evolution demands the abolition of national frontiers. If Europe is to remain split into national groups, then Imperialism will recommence its work. Only a Federated Republic of Europe can give peace to the world."

Leon Trotsky (1879-1940), Russian revolutionary. Conversation at Smolny, Petrograd, 30 October 1917. Nice to see Trotsky's dream making such healthy progress 90 years later. Hasn't brought peace to the world, mind you.

"The driving role (r?le moteur) played by France and Germany, naturally we expect to exercise it for the good of the European Project."

"I have confidence in the future of Europe because I have confidence in the solidarity fo the Franco-German relationship."

"The 22nd of January shall henceforth be known as 'Franco-German Day'"

Jacques Chirac, French President since 1995. Speech at a joint meeting of German and French parliamentarians on 4th anniversary of Treaty of Versailles. Versailles, 22 January 2003.

"The future will belong to the Germans... when we build the House of Europe. In the next two years, we will make the process of European integration irreversible. This is a really big battle but it is worth the fight."

Helmut Kohl, German Chancellor 1982-1988, who presided over reunification of Germany but whose legacy was tarnished by a massive party financing scandal. Reported in Freedom Today, 1996.

"Germany, as the biggest and most powerful economic member state, will be the leader, whether we like it or not."

Theo Waigel, German politician, leader of leftist CSU and Minister of Finance 1989-1998. Father of the name 'Euro' for the currency - the French wanted to call it the Ecu but were persuade 'Euro' was more saleable in Germany.

"The Convention brought together a self-selected group of the European political elite, many of whom have their eyes on a career at European level, which is dependent on more and more integration. Not once in the 16 months I spent on the Convention did representatives question whether deeper integration is what the people of Europe want, whether it serves their best interests or whether it provides the best basis for a sustainable structure for an expanding Union."

Gisela Stuart, Labour Member of Parliament, Member of Constitutional Convention and Drafting Presidium. From The Making of Europe's Constitution, Fabian Society Pamphlet, 2003.

"The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights (ECR) will be no more binding than the Beano or the Sun".

Keith Vaz, Labour Minister for Europe, forced to resign after being dogged by sleaze allegations relating to sale of passports to dodgy Asian businessmen. Biarritz EU Summit, 2000. It has subsequently become clear that the CFR will be incorporated into any eventual European Consitution, unlike the once-popular childen's comic.

"[Italy joining the Euro at its launch] was a decision imposed from on high and the public had no choice in the matter."

Umberto Bossi (b 1943). Creator and leader of Italy's ultra-right separatist Northern League, sometime ally of Berlusconi's Forza Italia

"[The result was] disgraceful … we should never have given the vote to women and truck drivers."

Danish official working at the European Commission, on hearing the news that Danes had voted no to membership of the euro in September 2000.

"It is reasonable to ask whether such complicated and nuanced issues as the Nice Treaty ... are suitable subjects for referendums in the first place."

Independent Newspaper editorial, after the Irish refused to ratify the Nice Treaty in a referendum

"The creeping unification of Europe ... since the time of Jacques Delors [has been] managed by the bureaucrats from Brussels behind the back of the continent's population, behind the back of the citizens of individual member states"

V?clav Klaus. Second President of the Czech Republic, Former Czech Prime Minister and Finance Minister. Article in the European Journal, Dec 2003

"Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation."

Jean Monnet, Founder of the European Movement. Former Cognac salesman and bureaucrat at the League of Nations. 1952

"No government dependent upon a democratic vote could possibly agree in advance to the sacrifice that any adequate plan [to build the EU] must involve. The people must be led slowly and unconsciously into their abandonment of their traditional economic defences..."

Lord (Peter) Thorneycroft, Privy Councillor, Conservative Party Chairman 1975-1981. Chairman of 'Design For Europe' Committee, 1947, quoted by Bill Jamieson in Britain Beyond Europe.

"I have never understood why public opinion about European ideas should be taken into account."

Raymond Barre, Mayor of Lyons and French Prime Minister 1976 - 1981 under Giscard d'Estaing

"European Army and a European Police Force lie at the end of the road to European Union."

Helmut Kohl, German Chancellor 1982-1988, who presided over reunification of Germany but whose legacy was tarnished by a massive party financing scandal. Source unknown but widely quoted as being said in 1992. He may have hoped this would sound reassuring

"Here in Brussels, a true European government has been born. I have governmental powers, I have executive powers for which there is no other name in the world, whether you like it or not, than government."

Romano Prodi, EU Commission President. European Parliament, November 1999. Steady there, big guy - the last Italian leader who got too big for his boots ended up hanging upside down from a lamp-post with his mistress!

"The Council of Ministers will have far more power over the budgets of the member states than the federal government in the United States has over the budget of Texas"

Jean-Claude Trichet, Head of European Central Bank. The European, 13th December 1998.

And finally some true words of wisdom and warning!

"Any nation which gives up its freedom in pursuit of economic advantage deserves to lose both."

Thomas Jefferson, US President 1801-1809

[americanbychoice2]

Great raed, congrats.

[GSlob]

Multilingual and multicultural vampirias tend to fail miserably. For the examples look no further than Austria-Hungary and the USSR of thucking memory. While most Europeans are polyglots, the Fourth Reich would need a crash cultural homogenization (any French volunteers out there?) and a serious language work as well, before one could even dream of it as a serious power center.

[rellimpank]

--in a few more years, (if not already) the only pool of males for cannon fodder will be Islamic of Arab or similar cultural background--they aren't exactly going to fight for traditional European values-what ever that might be--

[jb6]

The SS model worked rather well, it was composed of Germans, Austrians, French, Belgians, Brits, Fins, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Italians, Slovaks, Ukrainians (western), Bosniaks, Croats, some Serbs, Greeks, Albanians and many others. A true multi-European force. In the end they do fall apart, but unfortunetly they tend to take many millions of lives with them.

[sauropod]

Good post.

[GSlob]

The cost of holding it together was not worth the benefit derived. Thus it was bound to fail. Standard cost/benefit analysis. And non-German contribution to Waffen SS were of rather symbolic value.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[dervish]

"European Army and a European Police Force lie at the end of the road to European Union."

Now I'm really scared/sarcasm

I read a commentator who suggested that France and Germany could not send troops to Iraq because of the TV coverage. Their military is so bad the scrutiny would be an embarassment.

They have no $ for military spending. German soldiers do service in Germany's extensive social service gimmees, like being aides in nursing homes to meet their service commitment.

Here's a link to an anti-Europeanization think tank in Norway. Norway has fought off joining the EU but the fight goes on.

http://www.arena.uio.no/publications/wp02_3.htm

and general site

http://xml.uio.no/tag/arkiv/ects1999-2000/centres/arena-and-centres/arena.html

[jb6]

And Hitler faced even worse conditions in a country with a tenth the industry, enemies at ever border and inflation in the thousands. In 6 years they were rolling over most eveyone in their path.

[jb6]

Symbolic value? 1 SS division of Slovaks, 1 SS division of Ukrainians, 1 SS division of Albanians, 2 SS divisions of Croats and 2 of Bosniaks, 1 SS division of Greeks. Several other SS divisions of mixed nationalities. That's more divisions then our present military.

The cost of the people matters little to the ruling elites of the EU and other such facist states. That is the point of facism, everything for the socialist state.

[Wilhelm Tell]

The EU is set to become a sort of Fascist empire. I think they imagine they can bring about a corporate socialist/welfarist state as was in vogue in the 1930s, only this time without the militarism and nationalism.

The people who will run it will largely be unelected administrators, and they will regularly change jobs among themselves. Someone might be a corporate bureaucrat for a few years, then a union leader, then a politician or lobbyist, then work for a university, etc. These are well-paying jobs if you can get them. Their most important task will be keeping up the fiction that the system is democratic.

A big problem with this is that you can make regulations and write position papers and give speeches about "social justice" forever but at some point the economy will have to produce goods and services people want at a price most people can afford. More than likely any business that innovates will be seen as a threat to the status quo and it will be taxed or regulated to death. Sooner or later they will have to set up a police state just to keep people in line and to censor any ideas that are contrary to the latest Five Year Plan or whatever they will call it.

[GSlob]

Some divisions are worth more than others, that's the problem. Sometimes significantly more. As the scripture phrased it: "And three of you will chase away a thousand", or something like that.
For cohesiveness metric one could look at casualty rates: what level of casualties does it take to disable the unit? There are other metrics of unit cohesiveness and efficiency.

[Red6]

That's pretty good.

Tell the story in their own words.

Red6

[longtermmemmory]

bump

[RobFromGa]

well done post, very enlightening.

[dervish]

I'll go along for the discussion.

If the danger is six years close, what is your recommendation?

[datura]

They're going to the Federal EU so that they can all become members of the Arab League together. The treaty for Eurabia is much further along - 30 years in the making - than the EU's "constitution". Just do a Google on Eurabia.

[dervish]

as in Bat-Yeor's writing?

http://www.dhimmitude.org/archive/bat_yeor_eurabia_summary_2004dec.pdf

I've read it.

But then we are not talking Europe but about restoring the Caliphate. I believe UBL is working on that as is the US. And I may be wrong but I don't think?? that is what jb6 means.

[jb6]

It is not in our interest to let any one power in Europe get to powerful. We should block EU expansion and push for freedom movements within the EU. At the very least guarantee some true liberty before it is to late.