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Zell Miller does it again! (2/12/2004)
Sen. Miller's floor speeches ^ | 2/12/04 | Zell Miller

Posted on 12/24/2004 1:59:28 PM PST by rapture-me

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senator Zell Miller (D-GA) today delivered the following statement on the floor of the United States Senate addressing several social issues facing the country:

"The Old Testament prophet Amos was a sheep herder who lived back in the Judean hills, away from the larger cities of Bethlehem and Jerusalem. Compared to the intellectual urbanites like Isaiah and Jeremiah, he was just an unsophisticated country hick.

"But Amos had a unique grasp of political and social issues and his poetic literary skill was among the best of all the prophets. That familiar quote of Martin Luther King, Jr. about 'Justice will rush down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream' are Amos's words.

"Amos was the first to propose the concept of a universal God and not just some tribal deity. He also wrote that God demanded moral purity, not rituals and sacrifices. This blunt speaking moral conscience of his time warns in Chapter 8, verse 11 of The Book of Amos, as if he were speaking to us today:

That 'the days will come, sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land. Not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the word of the Lord.

'And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east. They shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.'

'A famine in the land'. Has anyone more accurately described the situation we face in America today? 'A famine of hearing the words of the Lord.'

"But some will say, Amos was just an Old Testament prophet - a minor one at that - who lived 700 years before Christ. That is true, so how about one of the most influential historians of modern times?

"Arnold Toynbee who wrote the acclaimed 12 volume A Study of History, once declared, 'Of the 22 civilizations that have appeared in history, 19 of them collapsed when they reached the moral state America is in today.'

"Toynbee died in 1975, before seeing the worst that was yet to come. Yes, Arnold Toynbee saw the famine. The 'famine of hearing the words of the Lord.' Whether it is removing a display of the Ten Commandments from a Courthouse or the Nativity Scene from a city square. Whether it is eliminating prayer in schools or eliminating 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance. Whether it is making a mockery of the sacred institution of marriage between a man and woman or, yes, telecasting around the world made-in-the-USA filth masquerading as entertainment.

"The Culture of Far Left America was displayed in a startling way during the Super Bowl's now infamous half-time show. A show brought to us courtesy of Value-Les Moonves and the pagan temple of Viacom-Babylon.

"I asked the question yesterday, how many of you have ever run over a skunk with your car? I have many times and I can tell you, the stink stays around for a long time. You can take the car through a car wash and it's still there. So the scent of this event will long linger in the nostrils of America.

"I'm not talking just about an exposed mammary gland with a pull-tab attached to it. Really no one should have been too surprised at that. Wouldn't one expect a bumping, humping, trashy routine entitled 'I'm going to get you naked' to end that way.

"Does any responsible adult ever listen to the words of this rap-crap? I'd quote you some of it, but the Sergeant of Arms would throw me out of here, as well he should. And then there was that prancing, dancing, strutting, rutting guy evidently suffering from jock itch because he kept yelling and grabbing his crotch. But then, maybe there's a crotch grabbing culture I'm unaware of.

"But as bad as all this was, the thing that yanked my chain the hardest was seeing that ignoramus with his pointed head stuck up through a hole he had cut in the flag of the United States of America, screaming about having 'a bottle of scotch and watching lots of crotch.' Think about that.

"This is the same flag that we pledge allegiance to. This is the flag that is draped over coffins of dead young uniformed warriors killed while protecting Kid Crock's bony butt. He should be tarred and feathered, and ridden out of this country on a rail. Talk about a good reality show, there's one for you.

"The desire and will of this Congress to meaningfully do anything about any of these so-called social issues is non existent and embarrassingly disgraceful. The American people are waiting and growing impatient with us. They want something done.

"I am pleased to be a co-sponsor of S.J. Res. 26 along with Senator Allard and others, proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relating to marriage. And S.1558, the Liberties Restoration Act, which declares religious liberty rights in several ways, including the Pledge of Allegiance and the display of the Ten Commandments. And today I join Senator Shelby and others with the Constitution Restoration Act of 2004 that limits the jurisdiction of federal courts in certain ways.

"In doing so, I stand shoulder to shoulder not only with my Senate co-sponsors and Chief Justice Roy Moore of Alabama but, more importantly, with our Founding Fathers in the conception of religious liberty and the terribly wrong direction our modern judiciary has taken us in.

"Everyone today seems to think that the U.S. Constitution expressly provides for separation of church and state. Ask any ten people if that's not so. And I'll bet you most of them will say 'Well, sure.' And some will point out, 'it's in the First Amendment.'

"Wrong! Read it! It says, 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Where is the word 'separate'? Where are the words 'church' or 'state.'

"They are not there. Never have been. Never intended to be. Read the Congressional Records during that four-month period in 1789 when the amendment was being framed in Congress. Clearly their intent was to prohibit a single denomination in exclusion of all others, whether it was Anglican or Catholic or some other.

"I highly recommend a great book entitled Original Intent by David Barton. It really gets into how the actual members of Congress, who drafted the First Amendment, expected basic Biblical principles and values to be present throughout public life and society, not separate from it.

"It was Alexander Hamilton who pointed out that 'judges should be bound down by strict rules and precedents, which serve to define and point out their duty.' Bound down! That is exactly what is needed to be done. There was not a single precedent cited when school prayer was struck down in 1962.

"These judges who legislate instead of adjudicate, do it without being responsible to one single solitary voter for their actions. Among the signers of the Declaration of Independence was a brilliant young physician from Pennsylvania named Benjamin Rush.

"When Rush was elected to that First Continental Congress, his close friend Benjamin Franklin told him 'We need you. . . we have a great task before us, assigned to us by Providence.' Today, 228 years later there is still a great task before us assigned to us by Providence. Our Founding Fathers did not shirk their duty and we can do no less.

"By the way, Benjamin Rush was once asked a question that has long interested this Senator from Georgia in particular. Dr. Rush was asked, are you a democrat or an aristocrat? And the good doctor answered, 'I am neither '. 'I am a Christocrat. I believe He, alone, who created and redeemed man is qualified to govern him.' That reply of Benjamin Rush is just as true today in the year of our Lord 2004 as it was in the year of our Lord 1776.

"So, if I am asked why - with all the pressing problems this nation faces today - why am I pushing these social issues and taking the Senate's valuable time? I will answer: Because, it is of the highest importance. Yes, there's a deficit to be concerned about in this country, a deficit of decency.

"So, as the sand empties through my hourglass at warp speed - and with my time running out in this Senate and on this earth, I feel compelled to speak out. For I truly believe that at times like this, silence is not golden. It is yellow."


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"These judges who legislate instead of adjudicate, do it without being responsible to one single solitary voter for their actions. Among the signers of the Declaration of Independence was a brilliant young physician from Pennsylvania named Benjamin Rush.

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The next step in denying God's sovereignty over the United States will go to these nine people . .

"The question is or at least ought to be, how can such a small, godless, minority have such influence over our courts and legislative processes?"

Answer:

U.S. Supreme Court, 2004 - The Oligarchy*

(All Your Sovereignty Are Belong To Us!)

Justices of the Supreme Court

Back Row (left to right): Ginsburg, Souter, Thomas, Breyer
Front Row (left to right): Scalia, Stevens, Rehnquist, O'Connor, Kennedy

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Date: 1542
1 : government by the few
2 : a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control
3 : an organization under oligarchic control

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2 a : supreme power especially over a body politic b : freedom from external control : AUTONOMY c : controlling influence
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61 posted on 12/25/2004 8:03:55 AM PST by Happy2BMe ("Islam fears democracy worse than anything-It castrates their stranglehold at the lowest level.")
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To: stm
.....can I get a harumph?!

HaRUMPH!

62 posted on 12/25/2004 9:45:10 AM PST by Itzlzha (The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote!)
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To: rapture-me
silence is not golden. It is yellow

I think patriotic Americans have finally got over being stunned by politically correctness, and we will never again allow the Lefty/liberal Democrats tape our mouths shut again!

63 posted on 12/25/2004 11:38:35 AM PST by WaterDragon
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To: stm

Sounds good to me. God bless Zell Miller! I love that man!


64 posted on 12/25/2004 11:47:56 AM PST by beckysueb (I BELIEVE the DUmmies will wake up someday! Nah.)
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To: FormerACLUmember

If only he could be president. What a wonderful day that would be.


65 posted on 12/25/2004 11:48:50 AM PST by beckysueb (I BELIEVE the DUmmies will wake up someday! Nah.)
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To: Noachian

I think we need to start impeaching a few judges.


66 posted on 12/25/2004 11:50:51 AM PST by beckysueb (I BELIEVE the DUmmies will wake up someday! Nah.)
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To: rapture-me; Maneesh

Zell said: "I highly recommend a great book entitled Original Intent by David Barton. It really gets into how the actual members of Congress, who drafted the First Amendment, expected basic Biblical principles and values to be present throughout public life and society, not separate from it."

Maneesh responded on this thread that David Barton's web site is -
http://www.wallbuilders.com
Organizations wishing to promote the principles underlying our constitution might consider inviting David to speak. Their audiences will be exposed to the Founders' ideas, with documentation in the Founders' own words.

My offering for this Christmas Day 2004 is the following essay, quoted here in its entirety with permission from the author, from "Rediscovering the Ideas of Liberty" (1995) (ISBN 0-9645614-0-9), an abridged version of the 1987 Bicentennial volume entitled "Our Ageless Constitution" (Stedman & Lewis) (ISBN 0-937047-25-2). It summarizes the Founders' philosophy, as expressed in the Preamble to our Constitution.

(Beginning of Quoted Material)

"OUR AGELESS CONSTITUTION"

"The structure has been erected by architects of consummate skill and fidelity; its foundations are solid; its components are beautiful, as well as useful; its arrangements are full of wisdom and order...." -Justice Joseph Story

Justice Story's words pay tribute to the United States Con­stitution and its Framers. Shortly before the 100th year of the Constitution, in his History of the United States of America, written in 1886, historian George Bancroft said:

"The Constitution is to the American people a possession for the ages."

He went on to say:

"In America, a new people had risen up without king, or princes, or nobles....By calm meditation and friendly councils they had prepared a constitution which, in the union of freedom with strength and order, excelled every one known before; and which secured itself against violence and revolu­tion by providing a peaceful method for every needed reform. In the happy morning of their existence as one of the powers of the world, they had chosen Justice as their guide."

And two hundred years after the adoption of this singularly-important document, praised by justice Story in one century and Historian Bancroft in the next and said by Sir William Gladstone to be "the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given moment by the brain and purpose of man," the Constitution of 1787 - with its Bill of Rights - ­remains, yet another century later, a bulwark for liberty, an ageless formula for the government of a free people.

In what sense can any document prepared by human hands be said to be ageless? What are the qualities or attributes which give it permanence?

The Qualities of Agelessness

America's Constitution had its roots in the nature, experience, and habits of humankind, in the experience of the American people themselves - their beliefs, customs, and traditions, and in the practical aspects of politics and govern­ment. It was based on the ex­perience of the ages. Its provisions were designed in recogni­tion of principles which do not change with time and circumstance, because they are inherent in human nature.

"The foundation of every government," said John Adams, "is some principle or passion in the minds of the people." The founding generation, aware of its unique place in the ongoing human struggle for liberty, were willing to risk everything for its attainment. Roger Sherman stated that as government is "instituted for those who live under it ... it ought, therefore, to be so constituted as not to be dangerous to liberty." And the American government was structured with that primary purpose in mind - the protection of the peoples liberty.

Of their historic role, in framing a government to secure liberty, the Framers believed that the degree of wisdom and foresight brought to the task at hand might well determine whether future generations would live in liberty or tyranny. As President Washington so aptly put it, "the sacred fire of liberty" might depend "on the experiment intrusted to the hands of the American people" That experiment, they hoped, would serve as a beacon of liberty throughout the world.

The Framers of America's Constitution were guided by the wisdom of previous generations and the lessons of history for guidance in structuring a government to secure for un­told millions in the future the unalienable rights of in­dividuals. As Jefferson wisely observed:

"History, by apprising the people of the past, will enable them to judge of the future; it will avail them of the experience of other times and other nations; it will qualify them as judges of the actions and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views."

The Constitution, it has been said, was "not formed upon abstraction," but upon practicality. Its philosophy and prin­ciples, among others, incorporated these practical aspects:

- Recognition that love of liberty is inherent in the human spirit.

- Recognition of Creator-endowed, unalienable, individual rights.

- Recognition that meaningful liberty is possible only in the company of order and justice. In the words of Burke: "Liberty must be limited to be possessed."

- Recognition that in order for a people to be free, they must be governed by fixed laws that apply alike to the governed and the government.

- Recognition that the Creator has not preferred one person or group of persons as rulers over the others and that any government, in order to be just, must be from among the great body of the people and by their consent - that the people have a right to self-government.

- Recognition of human weakness and the human tendency to abuse power; therefore, of the need to divide and to separate the power granted to government; to provide a system of checks and balances; and to make government accountable to people at frequent intervals.

- Recognition that laws, to be valid, must have their basis and limit in natural law - that law which, as Cicero wrote, "is the highest reason, implanted in Nature, which commands what ought to be done and forbids the opposite."

- Recognition of the need for structuring a government of laws, not of men, based on enduring principles and suitable not only to the age in which it is formed, but amendable to different circumstances and times, without sacrificing any of the three great concepts of Order, justice, or Liberty.

- Recognition that the right to ownership of property is a right so compelling as to provide a primary reason for individuals to form a government for securing that right.

- Recognition of the need for protecting the individual rights of each citizen, rich or poor, majority or minority, and of not allowing the coercive power of government to be used to do collectively that which the individual could not do without committing a crime.

- Recognition of necessity for incentive and reward as impetus for achievement and growth.

- Recognition of the need for a "Supreme Law of the land" a written constitution which, consistent with its idea of the sovereignty of the people, would provide its own prescribed amendment process, thereby circumventing any potential unconstitutional changes by any of the branches of government without the people's consent.

The Constitution of the United States of America structured a government for what the Founders called a "virtuous people - that is, a people who would be able," as Burke put it, to "put chains on their own appetites" and, without the coercive hand of government, to live peaceably without violating the rights of others. Such a society would need no standing armies to insure internal order, for the moral beliefs, customs, and love for liberty motivating the actions of the people and their representatives in government - the "unwritten" constitution - would be in keeping with their written constitution.

George Washington, in a speech to the State Governors, shared his own sense of the deep roots and foundations of the new nation:

"The foundation of our empire was not laid in the gloomy age of ignorance and superstition; but at an epocha when the rights of mankind were better understood and more clear­ly defined, than at any former period.... the treasures of knowledge, acquired by the labors of philosophers, sages, and legislators, through a long succession of years, are laid open for our use, and their collective wisdom may be happily applied in the establishment of our forms of government."

And Abraham Lincoln, in the mid-1800's, in celebrating the blessings of liberty, challenged Americans to transmit the "political edifice of liberty and equal rights" of their constitutional government to future generations:

"In the great journal of things happening under the sun, we, the American people, find our account running ... We find ourselves in the peaceful possession, of the fairest portion of the earth....We find ourselves under the government of a system of political institutions, conducing more essentially to the ends of civil and religious liberty, than any of which the history of former times tells us. We found ourselves the legal inheritors of these fundamental blessings. We toiled not in the acquirement or establishment of them - They are a legacy bequeathed us, by a once hardy, brave, and patriotic...race of ancestors. Theirs was the task (and nobly they performed it) to possess themselves, and through themselves, us, of this goodly land; and to uprear upon its hills and its valleys, a political edifice of liberty and equal rights, 'tis ours only, to transmit these...to the latest generation that fate shall permit the world to know...."

Because it rests on sound philosophical foundations and is rooted in enduring principles, the United States Constitution can, indeed, properly be described as "ageless," for it provides the formula for securing the blessings of liberty, establishing justice, insuring domestic tranquillity, promoting the general welfare, and providing for the common defense of a free people who understand its philosophy and principles and who will, with dedication, see that its integrity and vigor are preserved.

Justice Joseph Story was quoted in the caption of this essay as attesting to the skill and fidelity of the architects of the Constitution, its solid foundations, the practical aspects of its features, and its wisdom and order. The closing words of his statement, however, were reserved for use here; for in his 1789 remarks, he recognized the "ageless" quality of the magnificent document, and at the same time, issued a grave warning for Americans of all centuries. He concluded his statement with these words:

"...and its defenses are impregnable from without. It has been reared for immortality, if the work of man may justly aspire to such a title. It may, nevertheless, perish in an hour by the folly, or corruption, or negligence of its only keepers, THE PEOPLE. Republics are created by virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens."

Our ageless constitution can be shared with the world and passed on to generations far distant if its formula is not altered in violation of principle through the neglect of its keepers - WE, THE PEOPLE.

(End of Essay by Lewis)

It is reproduced here with permission of the author in the hope that it will contribute to the cause of liberty for all who seek liberty and peace. The philosophy expressed within it seems to be in consonance with the message of Christmas Day, when many around the world are celebrating the birth of The Prince of Peace.




67 posted on 12/25/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: rapture-me

This is why the Euros hate US....


68 posted on 12/25/2004 12:01:24 PM PST by traumer
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To: rapture-me

Good message for the upcoming New Year!

Hope President Bush takes advantage of the talents of this retiring Senator in defending and articulating the principles of the United States Constitution.


69 posted on 12/25/2004 12:37:17 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; Smartass; abigail2; Lady In Blue; ...


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70 posted on 12/25/2004 2:22:38 PM PST by devolve (http://pro.lookingat.us/ElvisChristmas.html http://pro.lookingat.us/TheKing.html)
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71 posted on 12/25/2004 3:10:14 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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"Everyone today seems to think that the U.S. Constitution expressly provides for separation of church and state. Ask any ten people if that's not so. And I'll bet you most of them will say 'Well, sure.' And some will point out, 'it's in the First Amendment.'

"Wrong! Read it! It says, 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Where is the word 'separate'? Where are the words 'church' or 'state.'

"They are not there. Never have been. Never intended to be. Read the Congressional Records during that four-month period in 1789 when the amendment was being framed in Congress. Clearly their intent was to prohibit a single denomination in exclusion of all others, whether it was Anglican or Catholic or some other.

"I highly recommend a great book entitled Original Intent by David Barton. It really gets into how the actual members of Congress, who drafted the First Amendment, expected basic Biblical principles and values to be present throughout public life and society, not separate from it.

That's so right. I love this man.

You can download the video “The Myth of the Separation of Church and State American's Founding Fathers” by David Barton as a zip file, and view it with windows mediaplayer. Here is the link.

From the same link:

Myth #1: Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists is the basis for separation of church and state

Some misguided people try to claim that this quote from Thomas Jefferson establishes the "separation of church and state" that we now have today:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God; that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State".

The first problem with that assertion is that this quote is not from an official government document. The second is that it was Jefferson's original intent that this meant that the church was to be protected from the government, not the reverse (which is the case today). For more information about this, see: link

Myth #2: The founding fathers were "deists"

This is a common argument used by secular history revisionists that attempts to distract attention away from the fact that the majority of the founding fathers were committed Christians. For more information about why this is a myth, see this link.

Dinner is ready, gotta go. (bookmarked, btw)

72 posted on 12/25/2004 3:13:39 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Excellent! bump! bump! bump!

Enjoy the Christmas dinner!! :^D


73 posted on 12/25/2004 3:32:49 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; Grampa Dave


Great post!

What's the name of that creepy self-annointed "separation-minister" who runs around radio talk shows claiming he only wants to eliminate any mention or symbol of Christmas and Christians in public schools and on public property to protect Christians and the US Constitution.

"The founding fathers were all deists"

I believe all but two were church-going Christians.

I have one "signer" of the Declaration of Independence from NH on our genwebsite who was a church-going Christian.

I never hear "Pastor Separatism" complaining about mandated study of the Koran, dress as Islamics, and prayers to Allah in California public schools which has now been deemed OK by a radical federal judge as "educational" while he bans any mention of Christianity or Christmas or Jesus Christ.

In Phillyphonia the local prosector calls the Bible a dangerous "hate speech weapon" and arrests and charges Christians with felonies and misdeameanors of "ethnic? (homosexual!) intimidation" that some could get 63 years in prison for.......

Then we have our lovely liberal Christian-hating media attacking Christmas and many retail businesses that depend on "the season" to go into the black ink every year.

In Gatlinburg TN you can clearly see the "Sign of the Fish" on the front of many business fronts on main street.

The pot is simmering and about to boil over in the USA.

Judges and SCOTUS place mythical Constitutional 1st Ammendment mandates on the states but deny the 2nd Ammendment clearly trumps federal, state, and local statutes that "infringe" on the rights of "the people".



74 posted on 12/25/2004 4:26:02 PM PST by devolve (http://pro.lookingat.us/ElvisChristmas.html http://pro.lookingat.us/TheKing.html)
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To: rapture-me

Zell Miller is a TRUE patriot in the order of the Founding Fathers. 'nough said!


75 posted on 12/26/2004 4:40:26 AM PST by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: rapture-me; rebuildus

Thanks so much for posting this! Love Zell Miller!


76 posted on 12/26/2004 8:43:54 AM PST by abigail2
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To: devolve

Thanks for the ping devolve! I wouldn't have missed this! Merry Christmas!


77 posted on 12/26/2004 8:44:49 AM PST by abigail2
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To: dAnconia

Zell ping...I love this guy :)


78 posted on 12/26/2004 8:53:55 AM PST by Annie03
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To: devolve
Judges and SCOTUS place mythical Constitutional 1st Ammendment mandates on the states but deny the 2nd Ammendment clearly trumps federal, state, and local statutes that "infringe" on the rights of "the people".

Well said.

79 posted on 12/26/2004 1:41:26 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: shot_gun_r
Roman Republic fell due to moral decline starting with Sulla and ending Julius Caesar. The Republic is what we would like to emulate, not the Empire. Our Constitution is based on the Constitution of The Roman Republic as understood in 1789, not the Constitutions of any of the Roman Empires. Changes from the Roman Republic's Constitution reflect the English experience with law. The US Constitution but otherwise it is the Constitution of the Roman Republic.

The Toynbee quote refers to the loose morals of the 1920's! Our morals have declined further since then. With no moral foundation we see the Bill Clinton as Chief Executive usurping legislative and judicial powers, Congress usurping powers that ought to be left to the several states, and the Supreme Court usurping powers willy-nilly, as if the powers were not enumerated. We see language becoming meaningless as new definitions are proclaimed for common words that the structure of our government depends upon; words like marriage, right, tax, fee, felon, property, and citizen.

Moral decline does not differentiate sexual behavior from citizenship. Whenever sexual morality declined, so did citizenship, at the same time.

An entirely different issue is the Decline of the Roman Empire. The Western Roman Empire was taxed out of existence. The Eastern Roman Empire muddled on.

There's not a Conservative American, as defined in FreeRepublic, that would not fight to the death to prevent establishment of a Roman Empire here in America.

80 posted on 12/26/2004 3:32:51 PM PST by JohnCliftn
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