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U-M study: Why men are attracted to subordinate women
University of Michigan News Service ^ | Dec. 8, 2004 | U Mich

Posted on 12/21/2004 3:59:39 PM PST by beavus

ANN ARBOR, Mich.—Men are more likely to want to marry women who are their assistants at work rather than their colleagues or bosses, a University of Michigan study finds.

The study, published in the current issue of Evolution and Human Behavior, highlights the importance of relational dominance in mate selection and discusses the evolutionary utility of male concerns about mating with dominant females.

"These findings provide empirical support for the widespread belief that powerful women are at a disadvantage in the marriage market because men may prefer to marry less accomplished women," said Stephanie Brown, lead author of the study and a social psychologist at the U-M Institute for Social Research (ISR).

For the study, supported in part by a grant from the National Institute of Mental Health, Brown and co-author Brian Lewis from UCLA tested 120 male and 208 female undergraduates by asking them to rate their attraction and desire to affiliate with a man and a woman they were said to know from work.

"Imagine that you have just taken a job and that Jennifer (or John) is your immediate supervisor (or your peer, or your assistant)," study participants were told as they were shown a photo of a male or a female.

After seeing the photo and hearing the description of the person's role at work in relation to their own, participants were asked to use a 9-point Likert scale (1 is not at all, 9 is very much) to rate the extent to which they would enjoy going to a party with Jennifer or John, exercising with the person, dating the person and marrying the person.

Brown and Lewis found that males, but not females, were most strongly attracted to subordinate partners for high-investment activities such as marriage and dating.

"Our results demonstrate that male preference for subordinate women increases as the investment in the relationship increases," Brown said. "This pattern is consistent with the possibility that there were reproductive advantages for males who preferred to form long-term relationships with relatively subordinate partners.

"Given that female infidelity is a severe reproductive threat to males only when investment is high, a preference for subordinate partners may provide adaptive benefits to males in the context of only long-term, investing relationships---not one-night stands."

According to Brown, who is affiliated with the ISR Evolution and Human Adaptation Program, the current findings are consistent with earlier research showing that expressions of vulnerability enhance female attractiveness. "Our results also provide further explanation for why males might attend to dominance-linked characteristics of women such as relative age or income, and why adult males typically prefer partners who are younger and make less money."

For more information on the ISR Evolution and Human Adaptation Program, visit: http://rcgd.isr.umich.edu/ehap/


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To: Syncro

221 posted on 12/22/2004 11:44:42 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (I know there's good will toward men on account of that Baby born in Bethlehem)
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To: Marysecretary
Nah, my college career spanned 91-95. My insubordinate wife is expecting in March.
222 posted on 12/22/2004 11:44:42 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: January24th

sounds like those men want to be a pimp.


223 posted on 12/22/2004 11:45:02 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: ukie; Hodar
Years ago there used to be this saying about many women going to college.

They are going to get their MRS degree.

I don't know if that is still true or not. Probably not as prevalent.
224 posted on 12/22/2004 11:46:42 AM PST by Syncro
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To: All


told yah

http://www.iuploads.com/uploads/66d7cb2a3b.jpg


225 posted on 12/22/2004 11:49:18 AM PST by Esteemed Scholar Jack Bauer
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To: Syncro

Still true for some women, the rest are there for their b*tch degrees.

(flame suit on)


226 posted on 12/22/2004 11:49:44 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: All
The men we admire most accomplished great tasks, often with great personal gain.

The men we honor most gave something great away, often at great personal sacrifice.

The woman men surround themselves with will either help or hinder those two ambitions.

227 posted on 12/22/2004 11:50:04 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (I know there's good will toward men on account of that Baby born in Bethlehem)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Of course I wanted to be a stay at home mom! I was RAISED mom material... I was baking at 7, cooking for all the field hands when I was 11, could sew my clothes by twelve. I learned how to gut, skin, clean, quilt, can, render lard, hoe, rake, drive a tractor, change a diaper. Heck, I even had piano lessons because, well, girls had piano lessons! (BTW, I sucked at that).

I went to college because my mom had nearly starved as a girl, so it was her way of assuring that I wouldn't go hungry (married or not). When Dad died, he left the girls out of the will because "we would have husbands to take care of us". Which, at the time really bit because I was putting myself through college and couldn't afford toilet paper. I was raised 100 years behind the times.

So, as long as I could remember, I wanted the house with the white picket fence and the 6 kids, baking cookies at Christmas, baskets of kittens in the barn, cuddles in front of the fire. Some to mimic my own childhood, lots to make up for the bad things in it too. But, it all turned out differently (and I take total responsibilty for my tendency to walk off cliffs without looking.)

Which is why, at this point in my life, I have become more of an observer taking notes ;)

228 posted on 12/22/2004 11:50:28 AM PST by najida (Well lookee here! Cute shoes, chocolate and my own remote control.)
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To: najida
This is why we discuss this in generalities.

You worked things out, as a strong woman. Your job and education do not define you.

This is different from the woman for which the job is the measure of success (often even after children)

229 posted on 12/22/2004 11:54:39 AM PST by CyberCowboy777 (I know there's good will toward men on account of that Baby born in Bethlehem)
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To: Rytwyng
I think we'll have to agree to disagree then. If it is the women who don't want the men who are "lower" than themselves, why do women repeatedly get burned in relationships by going after the "bad boy"? The athlete, the mechanic, construction worker, biker types that are historically the most "masculine", but not as successful as the doctor or lawyer type. There are more women than men, and also, historically, the few get to choose from the many.

Neither of our positions is wholly right or wrong, My cases in point are stereotypical of the overly masculine, 'uncultured', abusive type (a generalization). I do agree, however that women have the "status filter" having the laser sight pointed my direction on my share of occaisions. I think it has to do with the innate mother instinct in some cases. Choosing the most suitable mate for the care of the offspring. Another generalization due to the decreasing number of women whose main goal is a family.

230 posted on 12/22/2004 11:55:34 AM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT - B.F)
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To: CyberCowboy777

AHHHhhh,

That is it...
My mom was an educated, strong woman,
but her greatest sucesses were us, her kids.


231 posted on 12/22/2004 11:57:13 AM PST by najida (Well lookee here! Cute shoes, chocolate and my own remote control.)
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To: Esteemed Scholar Jack Bauer
I'm not an attractive guy, but i've never been in any kind of relationship, yes i am a loser, but maybe there is a girl out there for me, hopefully.

You will never be capable of receiving or giving love until you love yourself. You are not a loser, but only some therapy or other similar remedies will help you see that.

232 posted on 12/22/2004 11:58:42 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: najida
Does that mean the 9 years I was married and an upper manager in healthcare (with 30 to 50 lovable but wackaloon employees) was an anomaly?

It does! In my experience, of course. Remember, I said "not all!!"

And does that mean that while many FR men adore Ann Coulter, none would want to marry her?

You have no idea what an accurate statement that is, LOL.

233 posted on 12/22/2004 12:01:32 PM PST by Shryke (My Beeb-o-meter goes all the way to eleven.)
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To: najida
And does that mean that while many FR men adore Ann Coulter, none would want to marry her?

I wouldn't. Too much of an age difference.(15 years)

234 posted on 12/22/2004 12:04:53 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: infidel29
If it is the women who don't want the men who are "lower" than themselves, why do women repeatedly get burned in relationships by going after the "bad boy"?

Good point. The status-filter is only applied to nice guys. A nice guy needs a job, income, etc -- for some odd reason a "bad boy" does not.

235 posted on 12/22/2004 12:13:29 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: njwoman; infidel29

Oh, Please, men marry subordinate woman...if that is even accurate...because men want to feel as if they are the provider, not because of control, but because it is in the nature of a man to provide for the woman, to act like a man.

Women who need NO provider, who make more money;... make their boyfriends or husbands nothing more than pool boys and dispensible.

Almost anways.

Men want to know they are the provider, they are the dragon slayer, they are the reason she is safe, she is fed, that she is clothed and housed because of the work he did by the sweat of his brow (or keyboard).

To just kick back and let the woman work superior to the man, if the man does not find something to be considered work to add something to the relationship as provider, THAT IS NOT A MAN!

In this day and age, it is quite possible that the woman will earn more. If her man doesnt get on his hands and knees looking for work to add to the family, he is scum and he knows it.

For a man to just kick back and LET her lead, that man is a coward and a user.

That is why men want to marry a woman who is not as established as he is: He wants to be the leader and provider in the family.

If he has any male genes in him anways.


236 posted on 12/22/2004 12:17:34 PM PST by RaceBannon (Jesus: Born of the Jews, through the Jews, for the sins of the World!)
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To: RaceBannon

bttt


237 posted on 12/22/2004 12:19:48 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: beavus

I like strong women.


238 posted on 12/22/2004 12:22:24 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, ... Remember this.)
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To: najida
BUT the guy is also obligated not to act amazed and say "But, but, you are alone!...And we got along OK! Why don't you wanna go out again!!?"

Actually, I HAVE asked that question. With 3 different women who broke my heart. In all 3 cases, it was well over a year when I asked them, "Please, just tell me WHY you suddenly backed off and decided you didn't want me." All three evaded the question.

(I have come to realize that the male translation of "soul mate" is "A breathing non-bagger with 38 DD's")

Not necessarily. One of my "soul mates" was only of average attractiveness. Another one wasn't physically appealing to me at all, not in the slightest, so we were never more than friends.

239 posted on 12/22/2004 12:25:43 PM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; RaceBannon
Strong women, are all women of the 90's until they go to Court, then it is give me, protect me, I am weak. Check GLC 213 and try to collect.
240 posted on 12/22/2004 12:28:16 PM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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