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To: Red Badger

Actually, no.

A "species" is defined as a a group that can naturally breed and produce viable offspring (that can itself breed).

Mastiffs and Chijuaja(sp?) cannot naturally breed. Ergo, although they had a common ancestor just a few hundred years ago, they no are no longer the same species.

And no, artificial insemination does not count.

If so, lions and tigers would be the same specifies (the resulting offspring is called a Liger, which do exist, albeit they are generally sterile like a mule, which is itself an inter-species cross ).

In fact, HUMANS and CHIMPS can be bred together via artificial insemination. The Chinese did this, impregnating female chimps with human sperm. Fortunately, the resulting creature was destroyed before term (or so the Chinese claim).


33 posted on 12/21/2004 9:12:58 AM PST by MeanWestTexan
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To: MeanWestTexan
re: Mastiffs and Chijuaja(sp?) cannot naturally breed. Ergo, although they had a common ancestor just a few hundred years ago, they no are no longer the same species. And no, artificial insemination does not count.)))

It doesn't? Gee, a lot of horse farms will be interested to know that their horses ain't horses.

Since you credit the Chinese story of inter-primate breeding, should I believe you when you define two breeds of dogs as two species?

41 posted on 12/21/2004 9:20:20 AM PST by Mamzelle (He's scared of me...! Honest, I won't hurt him!)
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To: MeanWestTexan

"In vitro" is different from "in vivo" from "in the wild." (Seems the Romans were very civilized, no Latin for "in the wild.")


50 posted on 12/21/2004 9:27:37 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: MeanWestTexan
In fact, HUMANS and CHIMPS can be bred together via artificial insemination. The Chinese did this, impregnating female chimps with human sperm. Fortunately, the resulting creature was destroyed before term (or so the Chinese claim).

Do you have a source for this?

81 posted on 12/21/2004 9:53:13 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Mastiffs and Chijuaja(sp?) cannot naturally breed. Ergo, although they had a common ancestor just a few hundred years ago, they no are no longer the same species.

The only limitation here is physical, same as with some humans, Pygmies and Zulus, comes to mind, but no one would claim that they both are not the same species. A dog in heat is a dog in heat, regardless of size, shape or demeanor. The attempt would be made by them in spite of size difference. And if successful would produce viable reproductive offspring....

93 posted on 12/21/2004 10:03:37 AM PST by Red Badger (If the Red States are JESUSLAND, then the Blue States are SATANLAND......)
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To: MeanWestTexan
The Chinese did this, impregnating female chimps with human sperm.

Saruman did it first...
"We had many of these half-orcs to deal with at Helm's Deep."

191 posted on 12/21/2004 4:29:39 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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