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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Joe Brower
,not a collective right that may only be invoked by a State or a quasi-collective right..

There is no such thing as a "Collective Right", quasi or otherwise. The term is an oxymoron. Just because the two words "collective" and "rights" can be used together in a sentence does not give them a true meaning.

"Collective Rights" is an abstract painting of something that does not exist. It's a word fraud. The minute a "Right" is collectivized, it becomes regulated and no longer guaranteed. It becomes deniable and is no longer a "Right".

44 posted on 12/21/2004 9:25:40 AM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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To: elbucko
There is no such thing as a "Collective Right"

Excellent reply.
#1 Individual persons have "rights" which come from God/Natural Law.

#2 Collective groups, eg governments, have "powers" which are delegated to them by Constitutions ... or Supreme Courts which don't understand #1. There is no such thing as "States Rights". Those who mistakenly use that term do their own side a disservice.

#3 In addition to "rights" from God possessed by individual persons, CITIZENS have privileges not possessed by non-citizens and not possessed by those who don't meet the criteria of a "law". Thus, there is no "right to vote". Voting is a privilege. If voting were a "right" then children who have the "right" to life could vote. But it is constitutional to exclude children from the privilege of voting. Likewise, other classes of people can be constitutionally excluded from any privilege by law.

The whole purpose of that "equal protection of the law" Constitutional amendments was to prevent discrimination based on previous condition of servitude in regards to privileges granted or withheld by law. That is why this constitutional amendment is separate from the one overturning the previous "Great Compromise" of principle in the 1/3 person clause of the constitution. Clearly remember that the "Great Compromise" was from the start recognized and labeled as a compromise of the truth.

55 posted on 12/21/2004 10:26:32 AM PST by NormalGuy (If not Normal, Spin it)
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To: elbucko

"There is no such thing as a "Collective Right", quasi or otherwise."

It's kinda like "gay marriage".


69 posted on 12/21/2004 7:48:57 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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