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To: elbucko
There is no such thing as a "Collective Right"

Excellent reply.
#1 Individual persons have "rights" which come from God/Natural Law.

#2 Collective groups, eg governments, have "powers" which are delegated to them by Constitutions ... or Supreme Courts which don't understand #1. There is no such thing as "States Rights". Those who mistakenly use that term do their own side a disservice.

#3 In addition to "rights" from God possessed by individual persons, CITIZENS have privileges not possessed by non-citizens and not possessed by those who don't meet the criteria of a "law". Thus, there is no "right to vote". Voting is a privilege. If voting were a "right" then children who have the "right" to life could vote. But it is constitutional to exclude children from the privilege of voting. Likewise, other classes of people can be constitutionally excluded from any privilege by law.

The whole purpose of that "equal protection of the law" Constitutional amendments was to prevent discrimination based on previous condition of servitude in regards to privileges granted or withheld by law. That is why this constitutional amendment is separate from the one overturning the previous "Great Compromise" of principle in the 1/3 person clause of the constitution. Clearly remember that the "Great Compromise" was from the start recognized and labeled as a compromise of the truth.

55 posted on 12/21/2004 10:26:32 AM PST by NormalGuy (If not Normal, Spin it)
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To: NormalGuy
I agree entirely with your post.

There is no such thing as "States Rights". Those who mistakenly use that term do their own side a disservice.

AGREED! States have "Powers", but do not have "Rights". If so, it brings into the Constitution the concept of "collective" and the Constitution, to its great credit, is a document that refutes the concept of "collective" rights into human affairs. When the Constitution mentions "Rights", it is always in reference to "the people", "person" or "persons". When the Federal or State governments are referenced, the noun is "Powers". "Powers are also reserved to "the people" in the 9th. and 10th. Amendments, but any "Rights" of a government entity are never mentioned in the Constitution because there are not any.

In short, a "Right", under our Federal Constitution, cannot exist as collective.

59 posted on 12/21/2004 11:48:13 AM PST by elbucko (Feral Republican)
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