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F22 Raptor crash @ NELLIS AFB
12/20/04 | me

Posted on 12/20/2004 4:51:48 PM PST by BurbankKarl

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61 posted on 12/20/2004 5:23:36 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Glock17

I understand what you mean. We did the same with semis. But the act of doing the stuff in real world is pushing the envelope.

The models always miss something, or are not implemented correctly.


62 posted on 12/20/2004 5:30:11 PM PST by fooman ((Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation))
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To: Yossarian
Prayers for the pilot and prayers for the program. The Raptor may not be perfect (way expensive, and it needs better range if we need it against China), but it is critical for air superiority this upcoming decade.

My prayers for both too. The program was nearly cancled. Infact the only thing that kept it going was that F-15 vs. Su-27 thing awhile back. I hope this crash does not spell any more doom to it.

Against China, they would need to either be based in Japan, Guam or South Korea or there would need to be a carrier-based version. The Carrier based version would be the best option because anythng thats moving is less vulnerable than anything stationary (which is why I think the bulk of the US's missile defense system should be ship-based rather than land based). But even as it is, the F-22 will be essential in the coming decades.

63 posted on 12/20/2004 5:31:04 PM PST by Paul_Denton
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64 posted on 12/20/2004 5:31:08 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Nah! Junk the program and buy the Eurofighter instead.

No, the eurofighter is no match for the F-22. Besides the weapons and equipment that the US uses should be made in the US.

65 posted on 12/20/2004 5:34:41 PM PST by Paul_Denton
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To: BladeLWS
the Super Hornet is taking over the F-14 Tomcat's duties.

Such a mistake this was - (while the F-18 E/F is a great plane...it is more or less a strike aircraft) - it just doesn't have the capabilities of taking over for the F-14 -

Here's hoping the Navy gets the go-ahead for an updated model of the F-23 in the next 3 to 5 years (now this plane could honor the role of taking over for the F-14).

66 posted on 12/20/2004 5:35:26 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix

There really is no plane that could ever replace the F-14. The Hornet doesn't have the range, nor the long range Pheonix missile. The F-22 will never get sea duty. It would have to be VASTLY modified for it. It would need a launch bar on the nose gear, which with that it wouldn't fit in its gear bay. It would need larger and stronger main gear, which also wouldn't fit in its bay. Lastly it would need a longer, bigger, and stronger tailhook. Its NOT going to happen.


67 posted on 12/20/2004 5:40:35 PM PST by BladeLWS
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To: BurbankKarl

It's time to replace F/A-22 with Aurora :)
68 posted on 12/20/2004 5:40:37 PM PST by Wiz
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To: shaggy eel

Well...maybe I can make a really nice Wagon out of it.

This one's all full, as usual.


69 posted on 12/20/2004 5:41:39 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("The right of the People to be Muttly shall not be infringed,")
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To: BurbankKarl

A jet crash at Nellis Air Force base is under investigation. Metro police say they were called from Nellis Air Force base around 3:45 p.m. that a jet had crashed. A large cloud of black smoke was the first indication that something had gone wrong. There is a convoy of emergency vehciles on the scene and the remains of the charred jet are still on the runway. Eyewitness News is following this breaking story and will have the latest.

(Dec. 20) -- A jet crash at Nellis Air Force base is under investigation. Metro police say they were called from Nellis Air Force base around 3:45 p.m. that a jet had crashed.

A large cloud of black smoke was the first indication that something had gone wrong. There is a convoy of emergency vehciles on the scene and the remains of the charred jet are still on the runway.

The jet is reported to be a F/A-22 Raptor. The pilot was able to eject safely before the jet crashed.

The Nellis runway is currently closed. The Thunderbirds have been diverted to McCarran International Airport to land.

70 posted on 12/20/2004 5:44:01 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: BurbankKarl

You know how it is on these new fangled jet fighters, change a parameter in a base class, and the whole subroutine crashes.


71 posted on 12/20/2004 5:46:59 PM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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F/A-22 Raptor

72 posted on 12/20/2004 5:47:06 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: BladeLWS
There really is no plane that could ever replace the F-14. The Hornet doesn't have the range, nor the long range Pheonix missile. The F-22 will never get sea duty. It would have to be VASTLY modified for it. It would need a launch bar on the nose gear, which with that it wouldn't fit in its gear bay. It would need larger and stronger main gear, which also wouldn't fit in its bay. Lastly it would need a longer, bigger, and stronger tailhook. Its NOT going to happen.

Not the F-22 (but the F-23 ..or YF-23 as some call it). - This is perhaps the route the Navy will go as to the ultimate replacement for the F-14 -

73 posted on 12/20/2004 5:47:31 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: anonymoussierra
Just heard on the news that he was taken to a local hospital for evaluation, but appeared to be OK.

Ping!

74 posted on 12/20/2004 5:48:08 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: BladeLWS
There really is no plane that could ever replace the F-14. The Hornet doesn't have the range, nor the long range Pheonix missile. The F-22 will never get sea duty. It would have to be VASTLY modified for it. It would need a launch bar on the nose gear, which with that it wouldn't fit in its gear bay. It would need larger and stronger main gear, which also wouldn't fit in its bay. Lastly it would need a longer, bigger, and stronger tailhook. Its NOT going to happen.

The lack of pure speed and range are the two biggest drawbacks to the F-18F Super Hornet - As for the Phoenix....that really isn't that big a loss (as it was mainly meant for hitting large Soviet bombers) - And the newest version of the AMRAAMS (AAM) will extend its current range of apprx 30nm to close to 50nm (in the near future) -

Also the newer F-18F's will outfitted with the APG-79 AESA radar system (which will be even better than the F-14's radar in many ways) - It will have a range of close to 185km's and tracking of up to 20 active targets -

75 posted on 12/20/2004 5:52:48 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: caisson71

Be careful, you're making too much sense.


76 posted on 12/20/2004 5:54:32 PM PST by jmcclain19 (More from me at http://www.offcenter.us)
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To: Chemist_Geek

LAS VEGAS (AP) -- The pilot of a Raptor stealth fighter managed to eject this afternoon shortly before his plane crashed at Nellis Air Force Base.

The pilot was taken to a nearby hospital. His name and condition were unavailable.

The F-A-22 wrecked about 3:34 p-m, sending huge plumes of black smoke into the sky. It is the Air Force's premier fighter and one of its most expensive. The aircraft was assigned to the 422 Test and Evaluation Squadron at Nellis.

The accident is under investigation.

This is the second crash involving a fighter in about six weeks at Nellis.

A single-seat F-18 went down on November ninth about 15 miles north of the base, but the pilot also managed to eject in that incident.

77 posted on 12/20/2004 5:54:49 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Yep. A quarter billion dollar scrap heap.


78 posted on 12/20/2004 5:55:27 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: BladeLWS

I see a lot of vertical and horizontal surface area on the tail of that bird. I'm not an injuneer, but it looks to me like it "Wants" to be a knife fighter vs. stand off & wish?


79 posted on 12/20/2004 5:56:37 PM PST by investigateworld (( You may spel-chek at your option ))
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To: fooman
Those two pilots are obviously not in the same unit.

No, from the tail markings these are based out of Edwards. I see them all the time since I work there.

80 posted on 12/20/2004 6:01:53 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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