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Byrd's nuclear option
Townhall.com ^ | December 20, 2004 | Robert Novak

Posted on 12/19/2004 9:43:04 PM PST by guitarist

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GREAT analysis. Meditate on it (after meditating on Scripture!)
1 posted on 12/19/2004 9:43:04 PM PST by guitarist
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It's coming down to bottom-line-time: Bush WILL appoint a rather conservative justice. The Demos from Hillary to Obama to Bayh WILL fillibuster. We will--as far as I can tell--lose unless we go nuclear. Can anyone--any of you NR editors lurking here--demonstrate otherwise??


2 posted on 12/19/2004 9:45:21 PM PST by guitarist (commonsense)
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The Pubbies better keep their spines straighteded, they're going to need them.


3 posted on 12/19/2004 9:46:52 PM PST by Libertina (Dino Rossi WON the election TWICE!)
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I'm hoping Frist has the jewels to do it. What he needs to do is push the button and drop the nuke. Does anyone think that the democrats would hesitate at doing something like this? Why no, because THEY'VE ALREADY DONE IT.

I need to send my tagline in an email to Sen. Frist and then hope to God above that he understands it.


4 posted on 12/19/2004 9:48:16 PM PST by MissouriConservative ( Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more; you should never wish to do less. - Robert E. Lee)
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"Can anyone--any of you NR editors lurking here--demonstrate otherwise??"

It is a great piece of good journalism by Novak.

Now, do we have to go nuclear to win confirmation of Bush's judges? No.

The other alternative (besides recess appointments) is to simply write in their confirmation on the line item for each proposed Justice's federal salary in the federal budget.

The budget can't be filibustered, after all.

Poof! No filibuster and the judges are all approved.

5 posted on 12/19/2004 9:49:57 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Frist does need to count heads though. If he calls for a vote to go nuclear, he needs 50 plus vice prez Cheney to prevail. If the 3 New Englanders, McCain, Hagel and just one more (Specter, Warner, Lugar, etc.) defect, we lose everything. Let's encourage Bro. Frist to do his homework and win this thing!


6 posted on 12/19/2004 9:50:55 PM PST by guitarist (commonsense)
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That's a lovely gimmick, but I don't think it would fly. If you're gonna do that with only 51 votes, you might as well go nuclear with 51 votes, as everyone knows that is legit.


7 posted on 12/19/2004 9:52:23 PM PST by guitarist (commonsense)
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No, it's legit to write in to the federal budget the Senate's sense of approval along with the money being spent on what they approve.

8 posted on 12/19/2004 9:54:37 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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If the 3 New Englanders, McCain, Hagel and just one more (Specter, Warner, Lugar, etc.) defect, we lose everything.

One would hope that Frist has a clear "understanding" with Specter.

9 posted on 12/19/2004 9:54:46 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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Indeed a great article - thanks for posting it.

I do not understand Republican "fear" in using this tactic.

No amount of playing nice is going to reach the Democrats - or else they wouldn't be filibustering to began with...

Honestly, most of the public doesn't care either way. So let the Dem's cry and whine after the "nuclear" option is used.

And there *will be* a political price to be paid if the Republicans do not get strict constructionists appointed to the SC when the time comes.


10 posted on 12/19/2004 9:59:03 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally – a jihad liberals oppose!)
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The Klan has the bomb?


11 posted on 12/19/2004 10:03:17 PM PST by ozzymandus
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The Klan does not have the bomb.

But there can be no doubt that Robert C. Byrd is named after a bridge in West Virginia.

12 posted on 12/19/2004 10:20:45 PM PST by smoothsailing (Eagles Up !!)
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"would not strip the GOP of protection as a future Senate minority."

Protection? What protection? The kind Robert Bork got?

I don't want the Republicans to play kissy-face, I want them to drive the dims out of public life and lay waste to the demonrat party.


13 posted on 12/20/2004 12:37:14 AM PST by dsc
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And it's also legit to use the nuclear option!


14 posted on 12/20/2004 3:59:21 AM PST by guitarist (commonsense)
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With the "nuclear" option we win now and risk losing later. Without it we lose now and lose later. I don't see the problem with a nuclear option.


15 posted on 12/20/2004 4:14:06 AM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: guitarist

back up top...


16 posted on 12/20/2004 4:28:44 AM PST by harpu
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Frist's ambitions + opportunity = nuke option = conservative court for years to come.


17 posted on 12/20/2004 5:10:51 AM PST by jmaroneps37 ( Frist/ Blackwell in 2008 for a landslide: you saw it here first.)
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To: MissouriConservative

BTTT


18 posted on 12/20/2004 5:17:54 AM PST by Unicorn (Two many wimps around The democrats would rather win the WH then win the war-Tom Delay)
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It remains an open question whether Frist can mobilize Republicans as effectively as Byrd commanded Democrats to get even 51 votes. The "New England Three" of liberal Republican senators from Maine and Rhode Island may vote no. John McCain and Chuck Hagel have misgivings, with Hagel recalling the dark Republican days of the '70s when only a handful of Republican senators stood up against the Democratic tide.

I'm assuming that 50 votes plus a Cheney tiebreaker is good enough. Could be this is a bad assumption. Could be that Cheney doesn't get a vote on this kind of a motion. Anyone know the rules?

Also - It should be clear now that Specter could easily be the swing vote on the nuclear option. I still believe that trading the judicial chair for his vote is a good trade. If we don't break the logjam then you might as well let Schumer head up Judiciary, the results would be the same.

19 posted on 12/20/2004 5:23:19 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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Odd that he didn't tell us about at least one of the occasions where Byrd purportedly used the nuclear option, isn't it?

It is a great piece of good journalism by Novak.

20 posted on 12/20/2004 5:30:59 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Carpe Sharpei !)
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