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THE SAN FRAN GUN BAN (Michelle Malkin - and friends - discuss the latest gun-grabbing efforts)
Michelle Malkin's Blog ^ | December 17, 2004 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 12/19/2004 1:24:42 AM PST by Stoat

THE SAN FRAN GUN BAN

 

By Michelle Malkin   ·   December 17, 2004 04:11 PM
You've got to hand it to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors. They are unrepentant, unabashed, and undeterred gun grabbers--and there ain't nuthin' that's gonna stop 'em from trampling all over the Second Amendment. Here's the AP/SFgate.com story outlining the board's sweeping gun ban proposal. Volokh notes it would ban the possession of handguns as well as the sales of all firearms and ammunition, including shotguns and rifles.

Defending the proposal, an official explained:

"The hope is twofold, that officers will have an opportunity to interact with folks and if they have a handgun, that will be reason enough to confiscate it."

Clayton Cramer responds to this deadly Big Nannyism:

I love that: "an opportunity to interact with folks...." What they mean is that if the police find someone carrying a gun, they can arrest them and confiscate the gun. Oh, but they already can do so. It is unlawful to carry a concealed handgun in California without a permit (Cal. Penal Code 12025), or to carry a loaded firearm in an incorporated area (like San Francisco) openly (Cal. Penal Code 12031) and when they arrest you for either violation, they confiscate the gun.

So where are these "interactions" going to take place? In your home. Now, if they are arresting you for commiting a crime, they already confiscate the gun, and it is a rare moment indeed when a person gets a confiscated gun back in San Francisco--even if criminal charges are not filed. So what this really means is that if the police come to your home because you are a victim of a crime--and they find a gun--they'll confiscate it--and make sure that you are even less able to defend yourself next time.

 

Some of the gun ban advocates are using the old public health rationale and are touting the measure as a suicide-prevention strategy. Which prompted two great comments. One from Cramer and one from Opinion Journal.com's James Taranto:

Cramer.

Wait a minute: I thought liberals supported the right to suicide. They certainly support physician-assisted suicide. But they oppose suicide with a gun? Does anyone besides me find that just a bit bizarre?

Taranto.

Advocates of the ban present it as a suicide-prevention measure. Says Bill Barnes, an aide to Supervisor Chris Daly: "We know that for even law-abiding folks who own guns, the rates of suicide and mortality are substantially higher. So while just perceived to be a crime thing, we think there is a wide benefit to limiting the number of guns in the city."

We think he's wrong about mortality rates, which as far as we know are 100% for gun owners and gun shunners alike. But he may be right that gun owners are at risk of suicide. Good thing San Francisco doesn't have any bridges.

 

Update: Xrlq notes this is a repeat from 22 years ago.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; firearms; gun; gungrabbers; guns; malkin; michellemalkin; sanfrancisco; secondamendment
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To: risk
When the globalist trap springs we'll see how they do without food, fuel, water, tools, or weapons.
41 posted on 12/19/2004 12:58:01 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Prime Choice
...electioning...

Damn, man...where the hell did you learn to type?

I took a correspondence course. Now shut up. People don't mind when you talk to yourself...but when you argue, that's a different story.

42 posted on 12/19/2004 12:58:55 PM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: risk

One for your SF ping list, CJ. These idiots think they're above the laws of the land. Laws mean whatever they want them to mean, including the second amendment.

Is this what they mean when they say the constitution is a
"living document"?


43 posted on 12/19/2004 1:03:45 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: oldbrowser
Is this what they mean when they say the constitution is a "living document"?

A "living document" is a death wish.

44 posted on 12/19/2004 1:09:13 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; oldbrowser; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave

Of course it's a living document. It can be amended any time the people agree. But there comes a time when proposing and passing unconstitutional laws and untennable changes to the constitution becomes an act of treason. Hillary Clinton's railings against the Electoral College comes to mind. It's the media's job to shame these enemies of the republic. Where are they? Aiding and abetting the treason.


45 posted on 12/19/2004 1:28:02 PM PST by risk
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To: All

Anyone know if Barett and Windrunner are still located in CA. I think I heard Ronnie Barrett packed up and went to TN or someplace?


46 posted on 12/19/2004 1:36:39 PM PST by 12.7mm
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To: 12.7mm; Carry_Okie

Yet another business driven out of Kaliforniastan?


47 posted on 12/19/2004 1:38:28 PM PST by risk
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To: Travis McGee

Does anyone in SF even own a gun to be confiscated? Of course crime will rise, and they will blame it on economics (brought on by Bush) or lack of "early education" programs for children or some such nonsense.


48 posted on 12/19/2004 5:44:17 PM PST by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Travis McGee

By itself, California is the 5 or 6th largest economy in the world. In and of itself we are bigger than France. NY is only 60% of our economy. No kidding, lets keep it rather than give it to Mexico.


49 posted on 12/19/2004 5:58:21 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: Travis McGee

From my cold, dead hands.

Charlton Heston. ...
And
ME!


50 posted on 12/19/2004 6:00:30 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Because I fly, I envy no (wo)man on earth. - Anon)
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To: risk

Please add me to SF Ping List.


51 posted on 12/19/2004 6:01:42 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (Because I fly, I envy no (wo)man on earth. - Anon)
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To: Stoat
"The hope is twofold, that officers will have an opportunity to interact with folks and if they have a handgun, that will be reason enough to confiscate it."

I take this to mean the law provides the opportunity in other words, if a cop suspects you are carrying, he can stop you in other words he can stop anyone because 'i thought they were carrying'.

52 posted on 12/19/2004 6:15:09 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Stoat

"San Francisco supervisors want voters to approve a sweeping handgun ban that would prohibit almost everyone except law enforcement officers, security guards and military members from possessing firearms in the city."

I wonder just who will tell DI FI that she has to give up her concealed carry permit?


53 posted on 12/19/2004 6:24:00 PM PST by NY Attitude
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To: Citizen James; Dashing Dasher

Dasher has another request to join your ping list, CJ.


54 posted on 12/19/2004 8:06:23 PM PST by risk
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