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The Fox Is in Microsoft's Henhouse (and Salivating)
NYT ^ | December 19, 2004 | RANDALL STROSS

Posted on 12/18/2004 6:19:26 AM PST by mathprof

FIREFOX is a classic overnight success, many years in the making.

Published by the Mozilla Foundation, a nonprofit group supporting open-source software that draws upon the skills of hundreds of volunteer programmers, Firefox is a Web browser that is fast and filled with features that Microsoft's stodgy Internet Explorer lacks. Firefox installs in a snap, and it's free.

Firefox 1.0 was released on Nov. 9. Just over a month later, the foundation celebrated a remarkable milestone: 10 million downloads. Donations from Firefox's appreciative fans paid for a two-page advertisement in The New York Times on Thursday.

Until now, the Linux operating system was the best-known success among the hundreds of open-source projects that challenge Microsoft with technically strong, free software that improves as the population of bug-reporting and bug-fixing users grows. But unless you oversee purchases for a corporate data center, it's unlikely that you've felt the need to try Linux yourself.

With Firefox, open-source software moves from back-office obscurity to your home, and to your parents', too. (Your children in college are already using it.) It is polished, as easy to use as Internet Explorer and, most compelling, much better defended against viruses, worms and snoops.

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To: macbee

Correct. One of the others was IBM's "Top View", the other was Quarterdeck's "DesqView". I had DesqView and liked it--wow, multitasking without using TSRs!


241 posted on 12/18/2004 5:19:32 PM PST by jammer
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To: Condor51

"What I meant that at the time MS was not exactly qualified to deliver the programs that IBM wanted and that the IBM deal pretty much made Microsoft into 'a' company."

Except that at the time Microsoft obviously WAS qualified because they did deliver. They were also one of, if not them most, successful microcomputer software companies of the time, producing languages.


242 posted on 12/18/2004 5:21:31 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: Redcloak

#118 - Looks just like the popup blocker Microsoft has in Windows XP SP2 for IE6.


243 posted on 12/18/2004 5:24:05 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

"The original mouse and windows motif came from Xerox's PARC research center in the early '80's."

Actually, from the early '70's, not the 80's.


244 posted on 12/18/2004 5:25:41 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: jammer
Nope, his name was Kildall:

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245 posted on 12/18/2004 5:28:02 PM PST by macbee ("Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: HangnJudge
And Timex/Sinclair Computers with mighty memory of 1k Not to mention the ORIGINAL ALTAIR microcomputer

Altair was in 1976. I was in high school in 1973 and we used a Wang 2200 (the size of a VCR) which had a paper tape reader for input. Now THAT'S an OLD personal computer!

246 posted on 12/18/2004 5:30:31 PM PST by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: macbee

okay. long time ago. Your memory is better than mine.


247 posted on 12/18/2004 5:47:38 PM PST by jammer
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

I was also in HS in 1973. We had an AT&T teletype with a remote connection to a leased mainframe. We also used paper tape to load programs at 10-15 cps.


248 posted on 12/18/2004 6:05:43 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (Praying for the Kingdom of God)
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To: appeal2
Apple stole their's from the Xerox PARC several years before.

Apple licensed the rights to the GUI from Xerox. They did not steal it.

249 posted on 12/18/2004 6:29:28 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: elfman2
If what Gates “stole” from Apple was copyrightable, Apple would have pursued it in court.

It was, and they did.

250 posted on 12/18/2004 6:30:32 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: KwasiOwusu

I like sparring with you . . . . this must have been what it would have been like to watch the great dinosaurs bleating and howling at the ever-darkening sky - a few hours after the asteroid hit, and a couple months before the last of them expired.


251 posted on 12/18/2004 6:38:40 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: macbee
. . . MS Windows was one of at least two PC GUIs (the other that I remember was Digital Research's GEM) developed in the mid-80's to compete with the Mac.

The other was Amiga OS, which was probably the best of the lot. It did things in 1985 that were not done on the other systems until 1998. GEM wound up on Atari's ST "Amiga killer" (it didn't, it took a crooked investment banker named Gould to do that). There were other GUIs that would even work (sort of) on old systems like Commodore 64/128 and the Apple II series. GEOS by Berkeley Softworks (I think) was really quite innovative on those very limited memory computers.

Meanwhile, Commodore's Amiga could run Mac software in emulation FASTER than the same software ran on native Macs with the same processor! The Amiga could even run PC's MS-DOS software in emulation, although not quite as fast as on a PC with an equivalent processor.

The Amiga broke new ground by using dedicated sub-processors for many routine tasks that both the Mac and PCs used the CPU to accomplish. It was only later that PCs adopted this technique (first with processor/graphic cards) to increase performance. The Amiga also pioneered the library and re-entrant process approach as part of its pre- emptive multitasking system.

252 posted on 12/18/2004 7:06:48 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: edchambers
I have a question for all you firefox users who have made it your default browser what are the advantages/disadvantages of doing this.I have used Firefox for awhile but never made it my default browser I'm concerned that applications that use IE would possibly not function if I did this.

I have not had a problem, windows update functions fine, .chm (html help files) work fine, help & support works fine, these use IE for some operations and even MS programs like Works 8.0 will launch FF instead of IE when it needs web access. That's not saying that all things will work but with FF as default browser I haven't had any problems in the month it has been installed.

253 posted on 12/18/2004 7:44:08 PM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: this_ol_patriot

Thanks,can you still open IE for websites that won't work in Firefox? I wonder if Fire fox would open faster if it were the default browser? I know IE does because it's preloaded into memory by windows.


254 posted on 12/18/2004 8:08:44 PM PST by edchambers ("Pajamahadin Neocon footsoldier of the Haliburton Death squad ")
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To: Condor51

Thank you very much for posting that Adobe Plugin link.


255 posted on 12/19/2004 3:58:27 AM PST by Khurkris (That sound you hear coming from over the horizon...thats me laughing.)
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To: Khurkris
Thank you very much for posting that Adobe Plugin link

You're very welcome. :-)

BTW, what I did after installing Firefox was to download and install ALL the plug-ins, even though I already had them for IE use. I just didn't want to take any chances and it seemed to work. I don't have any problems, even with the Windows Media Player (though I try NOT to use it. I'll use all my other media apps 1st; Winamp, Real Player, Quick Time, etc).

256 posted on 12/19/2004 4:47:31 AM PST by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Gen G Patton)
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To: edchambers
Thanks,can you still open IE for websites that won't work in Firefox?

Yes just keep a shortcut for IE in your start menu, you will have to paste the link in. One thing, NOW you can set your IE security and privacy settings to the highest (disable) or near highest (prompt) because you won't be using it but for special purposes, you won't mind authorizing through a prompt, script and activex behavior when you need them.

People should always set IE security and privacy settings higher than they would for normal browsing when they install an alternate browser. This way apps that use the embedded form of IE like Windows Help and Support and Windows Explorer itself will not be vulnerable or less vulnerable .

257 posted on 12/19/2004 5:51:34 AM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: this_ol_patriot

That last line should read.

This way apps that use the embedded form of IE like Windows Help and Support and Windows Explorer itself will not be vulnerable or less vulnerable to bad script and activex behavior.

Any system will be vulnerable if you download (invite) crap onto your system, this is where the brain, application control fireall, anti-virus, spyware/adware removers and anti-trojans come into play


258 posted on 12/19/2004 5:57:54 AM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: ShadowAce

tech ping


259 posted on 12/19/2004 9:42:38 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (More than two lawyers in any Country constitutes a terrorist organization. ©)
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To: mathprof

Yeah Photoshop CS is great, if you want it pm me.


260 posted on 12/19/2004 7:36:46 PM PST by Critical Bill
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