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Dang, those lawyers are long-winded! I trimmed the footnotes off. Go to the DOJ link at the top to see them.

I think they're trying to say - the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

1 posted on 12/17/2004 4:36:19 PM PST by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR

Yup, Last paragraph says all you need to know.


2 posted on 12/17/2004 4:38:50 PM PST by konaice
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To: TERMINATTOR
"From my cold, dead hands..."
3 posted on 12/17/2004 4:38:58 PM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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About time someone posted it.


4 posted on 12/17/2004 4:41:03 PM PST by Tarpaulin (Look it up.)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Perhaps what's needed is a constitutional amendment that extends the definition of treason to include the actions of those who would, other than in a few specific cases, prevent citizens from keeping and bearing arms (exceptional cases would include, e.g. as a specific part of the punishment for a sufficiently-major crime, or temporarily as a consequence of being imprisoned, etc.)


5 posted on 12/17/2004 4:44:28 PM PST by supercat (To call the Constitution a 'living document' is to call a moth-infested overcoat a 'living garment'.)
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The first ten Amendments of the Constitution were done to secure the rights of the people to be free from the tyranny of the state. Only the left-wing says the 2nd Amendment was for the many and not the one.
6 posted on 12/17/2004 4:48:06 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms.

Well, of course! Why should "the People" means the People in the First, Fourth, Ninth, Tenth and Second Amendment!

Only idiotic ACLU jackwits and other Leftists think "the People" means the National Guard.


7 posted on 12/17/2004 4:56:34 PM PST by Prime Choice (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ...And no, my powers can only be used for Good.)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Bookmarked for when I have a few free hours.


12 posted on 12/17/2004 5:10:56 PM PST by shekkian
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The Second Amendment secures a right of individuals generally, not a right of States or a right restricted to persons serving in militias.

Do we really need lawyers to tell us what we can read for ourselves in the Constitution?

14 posted on 12/17/2004 5:15:27 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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I don't think we should get caught up in this "either or" type argument. {Collective vs. Individual}.I believe the founding fathers claim both. How is the individual to resist tyranny unless he works together with his fellow citizen?


15 posted on 12/17/2004 5:17:32 PM PST by labette
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NRA & 2nd Amendment PING! PING! PING!


16 posted on 12/17/2004 5:21:32 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Now here they are using the three comma version, I wish
they would make up their mind, one, two, or three.

Not that it matters to me, I understand the framers perfectly, as they intended a citizen should.

Now as to "shall not be infringed", they do not address
that here except perhaps....

"...Our analysis is limited to determining whether the Amendment secures an individual, collective, or quasi-collective right. We do not consider the substance of that right, including its contours or the nature or type of governmental interests that would justify restrictions on its exercise, and nothing in this memorandum is intended to address or call into question the constitutionality, under the Second Amendment, of any particular limitations on owning, carrying, or using firearms. ..."


17 posted on 12/17/2004 5:22:12 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Its a well written and researched piece of work - however, even these guys left open the door for some level of restrictions, hence the following:

"Our analysis is limited to determining whether the Amendment secures an individual, collective, or quasi-collective right. We do not consider the substance of that right, including its contours or the nature or type of governmental interests that would justify restrictions on its exercise, and nothing in this memorandum is intended to address or call into question the constitutionality, under the Second Amendment, of any particular limitations on owning, carrying, or using firearms."

The analysis of the last four words - shall not be infringed - are conspicuous by their absence. The last four words have not been addressed by any court over the last 100 years, including the excellent analysis done in the 5th Circuit Emerson case. These last words are the most powerful in the entire Bill of Rights; they suppose (and impose) the heavy burden of proof upon the government to show cause why anyone's RKBA should be restricted.

19 posted on 12/17/2004 5:24:46 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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Who's the poor sap they're gonna send to take mine?


20 posted on 12/17/2004 5:27:08 PM PST by G Larry (Time to update my "Support John Thune!" tagline. Thanks to all who did!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Bump for a more leisurely read


25 posted on 12/17/2004 5:35:38 PM PST by DBrow
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To: TERMINATTOR

Thanks. These guys get paid big bucks by the hour to do just this type of language. Did you ever notice how the word verbage sounds like garbage. It think it means the same, too.


27 posted on 12/17/2004 5:37:44 PM PST by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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Good stuff, but awfully pedantic. </pedantry>


Something a little less pedantic, just for a break.

<pedantry> Please resume...

37 posted on 12/17/2004 6:01:56 PM PST by Ryan Spock
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To me, this document constitutes the Ashcroft DOJ's most enduring legacy, a gift to the people, a labor of love for the Republic. As long winded as it is, it utterly reaffirms the intent of the Founding Fathers. An item of related interest, Gary Hart (yep, that one, Mr. Monkey Business) apparently also takes the same point of view in his PhD thesis, which has what actually looks like a very good plan for beefing up Homeland Security. In it, the reaffirmation of the duties and responsibilities of all able bodied citizen militia members plays a key role in the plan.


42 posted on 12/17/2004 6:16:19 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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Amendments 1-9 were to secure individual rights. The communist founded ACLU is just hiding behind their legal finger to deny that that one particular right is not an individual right.


43 posted on 12/17/2004 6:20:53 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: TERMINATTOR

A great refutation of the "Unitary" interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. This school of thought states that the American people can collectively bear arms, but not individuals.


44 posted on 12/17/2004 6:21:48 PM PST by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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All any idiot (including myself) has to do is learn just a tiny bit of American History and they can easily see that any argument against personal ownership of firearms is about the most retarded thing you could ever hear. And that is a fact jack.


49 posted on 12/17/2004 6:30:22 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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