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WA Gov. Race: Republicans to Sue King County Over 573 Ballots
KOMO-TV ^ | 16 December 2004

Posted on 12/16/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by Publius

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To: Politicalities
credible

You log on and post to DU just to get material for your Blog.

You hype your blog in your tagline

Please forgive us if we think you are just here to get material and hits to your blog.

201 posted on 12/16/2004 5:12:41 PM PST by WASH
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To: af_vet_1981
I note you admit you are at DU alot.

No, I admitted I was at DU a lot.

What is your user id ?

I have none, having been banned four times. The most recent time was for a post (since deleted) in this thread, in which the DUers took offense to this post on my blog. Go read it, then come back here and abjectly apologize for calling me a shill. I'll forgive you; you seem to have an uncontrollable tendency to prematurely accuse people of offenses.

202 posted on 12/16/2004 5:14:30 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: brazzaville
Your response to my questions leads me to another. I can appreciate your point but how far must we go? How many recounts is enough and why should election rules be changed in an attempt to allow enough questionable votes to be counted to change the results?

The answer to the first part of your question -- "how many recounts is enough" -- is "as many as are provided by law". In this state, one or two: a candidate-initiated (and paid-for) hand recount, and a possible mandatory machine recount if the margin is within a certain narrow range. The answer to the second part of your question -- "why should election rules be changed" -- is "they shouldn't be". And they haven't been. RCW 29A.60.210 provides:

Whenever the canvassing board finds that there is an apparent discrepancy or an inconsistency in the returns of a primary or election, the board may recanvass the ballots or voting devices in any precincts of the county.

...and always has. If ballots have been erroneously disqualified, the law permits and has always permitted the canvassing boards to allow them.

203 posted on 12/16/2004 5:24:06 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: WASH
You log on and post to DU just to get material for your Blog.

I've posted on DU exactly three times. Not one of them was to get material for my blog. The first was before I'd even started my blog. The second was to correct a poster who said that the turkey with which President Bush was photographed in Iraq on Thanksgiving 2003 was plastic. And the third was in response to that thread where I was attacked and wanted to fight back.

You hype your blog in your tagline

Yes, I do.

Please forgive us if we think you are just here to get material and hits to your blog.

Of course I forgive you. You err, but forgiveness is divine.

204 posted on 12/16/2004 5:26:09 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities

Posted three times but banned four times?


205 posted on 12/16/2004 5:29:13 PM PST by WASH
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To: Publius

what bull**it, that they find unsecured ballots sitting in a bin that weren't returned on election night. Total unbelievable cr**.


206 posted on 12/16/2004 5:31:10 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: WASH
Posted three times but banned four times?

Yes, I was banned once before I even had a chance to post. For my second post, I knew I'd be banned (for daring to post something non-negative about the President), so I chose the name "GoneIn60Seconds". My third banning, I picked "GoneIn59Seconds" but was banned before I had the chance to post... which was literally within one minute. The mods much watch the registrations very closely.

For my fourth banning (and third post) I learned my lesson and typed my response in Notepad before I registered. I was still banned within a minute, but managed to post before the banning, and the post actually survived for a couple of hours before it was deleted.

207 posted on 12/16/2004 5:36:54 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities
Good evening.

You've got me, Politicalities. I surrender to your knowledge of your state's election law. No, that's not true. I never surrender, though I will retreat if necessary.

By the way, can you recall the Republicans ever going this far?

Michael Frazier
208 posted on 12/16/2004 5:40:26 PM PST by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Bush gal in LA

It would seem that a lawsuit that the special scrutiny that the King county ballots get would violate the equal protection clause in the 14th Amendment. Unless ALL ballots in the WHOLE state are treated with the same scrutiny, then you cannot give the ballots of one or two counties special consideration because you believe that doing so will swing the race your way.

We went over this in 2000 in Florida and the Supreme Court has already shown this to be true.


209 posted on 12/16/2004 5:47:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

My post above on this http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1302888/posts?page=209#209


210 posted on 12/16/2004 5:48:58 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Politicalities

Maybe we should have a contest for the fastest ban from DU.


211 posted on 12/16/2004 5:50:58 PM PST by lavrenti (Think of who is pithy, yet so attractive to women.)
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To: All
Just found this at NWCN.com under "Recount FAQ"

"How many recounts are there going to be?"

"State law allows for only two recounts and the candidates must live with the result. State law does not, however, bar additional vote counts if one candidate or party contests the election and a judge orders another count."

Kinda goes against what we've been hearing about absolutely only two recounts.

212 posted on 12/16/2004 6:10:58 PM PST by WASH
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To: All

It looks like yesterday's supreme court ruling had zero impact.


213 posted on 12/16/2004 6:11:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Publius

They haven't descended yet.

That little squirrel picture people post here has a better set than the party.


214 posted on 12/16/2004 6:20:54 PM PST by sarah_f (Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: Politicalities
Oh no! Another victim of the industrial media complex. Guess you should start your own media complex.

Dear sir, I respectfully disagree with you. Maybe that is why I never have been banned.

I am wondering, do you come here to impart your wisdom and possibly learn something in a honest debate, or do you come here to convert lowly, ignorant Conservatives to the progressive way?

Please point me to ANY post where you have said, "Point taken, You're correct, I understand" and it isn't followed by your BUT.

Where is the liberal school that teaches this debate style?

[1] Agree with irrelevant points
[2] Distort the main argument
[3] Answer questions not asked
[4] Answer questions with questions
[5] Become the debate victim
[6] Repeat as necessary
215 posted on 12/16/2004 6:29:18 PM PST by Splatter (A foolish man is able to learn, has the opportunity, and does not do it..)
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To: WASH
Kinda goes against what we've been hearing about absolutely only two recounts.

Yes, in theory a judge could order another count. Also in theory, a judge could order the candidates to wear propellor beanies and sing "Oh, Susannah" while hopping on one foot. Both orders, however, would be completely extralegal.

216 posted on 12/16/2004 6:32:18 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Politicalities
All you've ever seen me do on [sic] these threads

Your use of [sic] is patronizing, condescending and incorrect. The preposition "on" is the proper one in this context.

217 posted on 12/16/2004 6:34:07 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Politicalities
would be completely extralegal

I was just wondering where they got this info., if it is not a real possibility.

If the candidates were before a Judge on charges -" wearing propeller beanies and singing "Oh, Susannah" while hopping on one foot" might not be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

218 posted on 12/16/2004 6:46:53 PM PST by WASH
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To: brazzaville
"Whenever the canvassing board finds that there is an apparent discrepancy or an inconsistency in the returns of a primary or election, the board may recanvass the ballots or voting devices in any precincts of the county. The canvassing board shall conduct any necessary recanvass activity on or before the last day to certify the primary or election and correct any error and document the correction of any error that it finds."

He left off the second sentence in his post. Note the part that says "before the last day to certify the primary or election."

219 posted on 12/16/2004 7:24:41 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Politicalities
FWIW, I also appreciate the "litmus test" you run, as I use it myself. If we cannot face a turning of the tables, then how weak is our position? We must be able to be objective--blind partisanship is hardly attractive to the populace at large, and it doesn't help much to advance a conservative agenda. If we can face an honest appraisal, however, we can demonstrate we are better than the Dems.

I do believe that the Democrats are not acting as honestly as the Republicans in the election; however, I agree with the standard of proof and I know you're not a shill for the Dems.

There's an additional point here, though. Regardless of innocence or guilt, it is bad practice to include ballots that turn up later--after observers had the chance to confirm the process--with a broken chain of custody.

220 posted on 12/16/2004 7:24:44 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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