Posted on 12/16/2004 11:00:43 AM PST by knighthawk
Libyan leader says Islamic world, including Islamic extremists up to bin Laden, is rejoicing at Turkey's entry.
ROME - Turkey will be an Islamic "Trojan horse" inside the European Union if it is allowed to join the bloc, to the advantage of Al-Qaeda terror chief Osama bin Laden and other extremists, Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi said in an interview with Italian radio reported Thursday.
"The Islamic world, including Islamic extremists up to bin Laden, is rejoicing at Turkey's entry. It is their Trojan horse," Kadhafi was quoted as saying by the daily La Repubblica in extracts from the RAI interview published before its broadcast.
Kadhafi said he had not opposed Turkey's EU membership but warned of its possible consequences.
"I say only that there will be consequences from the entry of this Trojan horse," he added, without elaborating.
EU leaders began gathering Thursday for a summit set to make a long-awaited decision on launching entry talks with Muslim majority but officially secular Turkey, widely expected to give Ankara a green light despite last-ditch haggling over the exact terms of the offer.
The EU leaders were set to agree a date for the start of talks, expected to be in the second half of 2005, but have warned that the negotiations will last for at least 10 years, and could be suspended in case of serious problems, while membership is not ultimately guaranteed.
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He said not long ago that he fancies himself and Libya as "African" and not Arab.
It shows that some people are more interested in power. This is not the first time somebody attack his fellow faithful. IIRC, there's a 'Christian' country in Europe who collaborated with Ottoman to attack another 'Christian' country.
He said not long ago that he fancies himself and Libya as "African" and not Arab.
Khaddafi apparently had a brief moment of clear insight. He's right, of course. The idea of merging Moslem Turkey in with this conglomeration called the European Union is sure to cause negative repercussions throughout that weakly allied group. I predict this will actually be the death knell for any further integration and will ultimately lead to the dissolution of the EU as a concept. I expect the European hoi polloi to now refuse to cooperate with their secular leadership on this matter. All future votes (when allowed) for integration and acceptance of the EU institutions will be vehemently opposed by the average European.
I thought Turkey had a strictly secular government...
I tend to see it in another light. This is typical Arab/muslim bravado. In all reality, this is the west's trojan horse into the middle east.
"In all reality, this is the west's trojan horse into the middle east."
How can you come to this conclusion when all we see is evidence of the invasion and destruction of Europe by Moslem immigration to the degree that it is now rightly called Eurabia. The Europeans haven't shown the will to protect and defend themselves against this onslaught. It is more likely that they are, indeed, letting in the Trojan horse of Moslemism that will corrupt and ruin whatever Europeanism remains.
Erdogan’s daughters studying in US to escape headscarf ban
PARIS: Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday his two daughters were studying in the United States to escape a ban in his country on Islamic headscarves in public schools and universities. "I am a father who suffers. My two daughters are currently doing their university studies abroad simply because they can’t do them in Turkey while respecting their own beliefs," he told French television station LCI during a private visit to Paris.
"They are studying in the United States with their headscarves. One of my daughters is doing a doctorate and the other a bachelor’s degree," he said, according to a translation by the channel. Turkey, like France, upholds its strictly secular principles in public life by banning girls from wearing Islamic headscarves in state educational institutions. The prohibition has generated disapproval among some of the Muslims that make up 99 per cent of Turkey’s population.
Erdogan heads up the conservative Justice and Development Party (AKP), which is made up of many members supporting a more fundamentalist Islamic character for Turkey. The country’s powerful army generals oppose a slide away from secular traditions and have acted in the past to prevent such a shift. The Turkish leader noted that countries such as the United States, Britain and Germany have no law banning headscarves, but said a change to the law in his own country "is not currently on the agenda".
"At the moment, I am not someone who thinks it would be right to go in that direction," he said. Several EU countries, including France, have expressed reservations about Turkey’s bid to join their bloc, citing, among other factors, the religious differences and wariness that Europe’s secular nature might be undermined.
http://jang.com.pk/thenews/oct2004-daily/21-10-2004/world/w13.htm
This is a very complicated subject. Western values tend to be more "catchy" than arab/islamic values. In other words, having a western influence in the middle eastern cultures will be more invasive than the arab/islamic influence on the west. A muslim visiting the west is more apt to assimiliate to western culture than a western person is apt to take on the islamic culture if visiting the middle eastern culture.
The mass imigration of arabs/muslims to Europe is not hidden as was the Trojan horse of lore. Turkey joining the EU is a much more subtle shift.
I firmly believe that once people of this part of the world are exposed to freedom and a better standard of living for several decades, this is what they will come to expect and they will toss off the oppresive yoke of Islam and the perverted way it is used in the Arab and Persian cultures.
It is only a matter of time until this backward part of the world is taken in to the modern world, either by influence or by force. The only remaining question is which one it will be.
"I firmly believe that once people of this part of the world are exposed to freedom and a better standard of living for several decades, this is what they will come to expect and they will toss off the oppresive yoke of Islam and the perverted way it is used in the Arab and Persian cultures."
I understand your point. This view underlays the Afghani and Iraqi projects we now are involved in. But when I survey the world at large, I find very few places that appreciate freedom and liberty. Third-world countries that have a colonial past haven't maintained their freedoms when given independence, such as parts of Asia, Africa, and South America. Even Eurabia is falling apart, which is more disturbing considering that these people should have an experiential appreciation for freedom and liberty that third-worlders never enjoyed. It seems that the United States is, indeed, the last best hope for mankind. It seems that those countries who align themselves with the US will have a chance for a future (Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, et.al.) Those countries that choose otherwise will falter and fail (France, Germany, Russia, et.al.). This is my view.
Thanks - very interesting!
"It seems that the United States is, indeed, the last best hope for mankind. It seems that those countries who align themselves with the US will have a chance for a future (Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, et.al.) Those countries that choose otherwise will falter and fail (France, Germany, Russia, et.al.). This is my view."
Great insight!
similar:
Gaddafi calls Turkey's EU bid a "Trojan horse"
Reuters ^ | 12/16/04
Posted on 12/16/2004 8:59:49 AM PST by nypokerface
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1302760/posts
"I am a father who suffers. My two daughters are currently doing their university studies abroad simply because they can’t do them in Turkey while respecting their own beliefs," Erdogan said, as everyone else in the room wondered why, if his daughters really respected that belief, they wouldn't just stay in a Turkish school.
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