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Conscience
DavidWarrenOnline ^ | December 15, 2004 | David Warren

Posted on 12/15/2004 5:27:27 PM PST by nosofar

Excuse me, I'm stupid. I'm trying to figure out what the word "conscience" might mean, in the mind of Paul Martin -- or to make it a little less personal, in the mind of any prominent post-modern political leader.

John Kerry for instance. In the recent U.S. election, Mr. Kerry was at pains to affirm that he believed, as a good Catholic, that human life begins at conception. Now, that was an admirably plain statement. For if life begins at conception, the procurement of an abortion must be tantamount to murder. And, good Catholic that he is, Mr. Kerry would almost certainly believe that he could not counsel, nor even tolerate, an act of murder. It would go against his conscience, surely, to allow such a thing, even if the latest Gallup poll showed 51 per cent in favour.

And indeed, Mr. Kerry -- so far as one could disentangle his rather awkward syntactical constructions, when addressing the nuances of a moral issue -- did oppose abortion, on conscientious grounds. However, he felt it would be wrong to impose his own deeply conscientious views, on persons who -- well, here I'm going stupid again. On whom could he not impose? I suppose either persons without a conscience, or persons who were otherwise-conscienced.

It was, so far as I could follow, a little like his SUV. (Or was it some foreign car?) He might own one himself, but he didn't drive it. Or was it that he did drive it, but only his wife owned it? I could never get the story quite straight.

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TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; canada; catholic; davidwarren; humansacrifice; kerry; martin; ritualmurder

1 posted on 12/15/2004 5:27:28 PM PST by nosofar
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To: nosofar

Abortion is a ritual murder before an idol of one's own vanity upon the altar of conceit...


2 posted on 12/15/2004 5:33:04 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: nosofar

Tricky question. It depends. If he was really a devoted Catholic he would follow his concious. So, if he is a true believer, he ignored his concious. Another explanation is that he has his own ideas of God that differs from the majority of Christians, and followed his own ideas. He thought the moral of forces his ideas on others outweighed murder. The only other explanation, and perhaps the most likely was that his proclaimed faith was a political mask, and he was brainwashed by the ideas of the democrats. He was a Kennedy wannabe, and therefore did the bidding of Teddy, since he can't run for president because he killed a girl. Just my opinion on it.


3 posted on 12/15/2004 5:36:15 PM PST by Jay777
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To: nosofar

Tricky question. It depends. If he was really a devoted Catholic he would follow his concious. So, if he is a true believer, he ignored his concious. Another explanation is that he has his own ideas of God that differs from the majority of Christians, and followed his own ideas. He thought the moral of forces his ideas on others outweighed murder. The only other explanation, and perhaps the most likely was that his proclaimed faith was a political mask, and he was brainwashed by the ideas of the democrats. He was a Kennedy wannabe, and therefore did the bidding of Teddy, since he can't run for president because he killed a girl. Just my opinion on it.


4 posted on 12/15/2004 5:36:56 PM PST by Jay777
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To: Jay777

AAAAAAAAAArrrrrggggghhhh! I hate it when this happens. I posted this and it didn't show up. I end up posting it twice! Sorry!


5 posted on 12/15/2004 5:37:41 PM PST by Jay777
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To: nosofar

Last night I saw part of an "interview" of Paul Martin by the Head talking head of the CBC (mea culpa - watching the CBC - legal, rare, and safe, you better believe, though). More like the grilling of some punk down at the local cop shop - or a skit on one of those Newfie comedy shows. Mr. Martin, shifty eyed, sweaty, couldn't make a simple short declarative sentence. H'mn 'n Hawin, interrupting his own interruptions (when the Head head wasn't interrupting him) and insuring us of his commitment to forceful leadership. Yuck.


6 posted on 12/15/2004 5:46:54 PM PST by mista science (Gee Whillikers)
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To: mista science

There ,you see what happens in Canada when we don't have hockey to watch on the boob tube.....We begin to become nauseated,like you guys,from watching our leaders aka politicians lead us...pass the valium please


7 posted on 12/15/2004 6:06:35 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: nosofar

Liberals truly ARE the same the world over.

I, too get more than a little confused every time that I hear liberals approach this subject -- most especially if the liberal in question is John Kerry. Somebody help me:

Everyone has values.

Now, if one's religion is of the traditional organized variety and he draws his value system from that source, we evidently are to believe it is improper for these values to influence, in any way, Government policy.

Logically, then, if one's religion is of the less traditional, but increasingly more common in liberal circles, secular type (secular humanism being the most common), and he draws his values from this source, it is not only proper, but mandatory that these values not just influence, but determine, Government Policy.

Do I have this correct? Or are only folks totally devoid of values of any type (I've never met one of these, even when at war) qualified to make Government Policy?


8 posted on 12/15/2004 6:10:37 PM PST by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: nosofar; Lando Lincoln; seamole; quidnunc; headsonpikes; Jeff Chandler; Travis McGee; MEG33; ...
David Warren

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9 posted on 12/17/2004 9:56:01 AM PST by Tolik
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To: nosofar
Apparently some conservative OBGyns have an interesting bumper stickers on their SUVs and cars:

IT IS A CHILD NOT CHOICE!"

10 posted on 12/17/2004 10:01:49 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Rummy Phobia is the new mental disorder of the left. It is similiar to Hate GW Syndrome!)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the ping!


11 posted on 12/17/2004 1:08:35 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Jay777

The only other explanation, and perhaps the most likely was that his proclaimed faith was a political mask, and he was brainwashed by the ideas of the democrats.

Pretty close, but IMO he one of those doing the brainwashing.


12 posted on 12/17/2004 8:36:41 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: bc boy

There ,you see what happens in Canada when we don't have hockey to watch on the boob tube

Hockey? What's that? Oh you mean that college/high school sport. I wonder if anyone has ever thought of having a pro league?


13 posted on 12/17/2004 8:39:38 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Valin

a PRO LEAGUE..interesting thought...maybe we could get Bubba of the Little Rock PIMPETS to be the enforcer in the new league...If you want a real good idea of pro hockey canuck style,see the movie, Slapshot[a cult classic by the way] starring Paul Newman...there's definitely more action than one finds in your african handball league...and our boys get to kick the cr-p out of the europeans regularily...right on... PRO LEAGUE starring Bubba here we come laddie


14 posted on 12/17/2004 8:55:10 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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To: bc boy

I have a friend who calls hockey "12 guys on skates, carrying sticks"


15 posted on 12/18/2004 6:41:40 AM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Valin

Your friend is right but he forget to tell you that the enforcers carry sharpened sticks which are used to tattoo the cowardly and the unworthy!!!!


16 posted on 12/18/2004 2:19:10 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy again)
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