Posted on 12/15/2004 5:34:11 AM PST by crv16
Warning: The Hydrogen Economy May Be More Distant Than It Appears
Michael Behar
In presidential campaign of 2004, Bush and Kerry managed to find one piece of common ground: Both spoke glowingly of a future powered by fuel cells. Hydrogen would free us from our dependence on fossil fuels and would dramatically curb emissions of air pollutants, including carbon dioxide, the gas chiefly blamed for global warming. The entire worldwide energy market would evolve into a hydrogen economy based on clean, abundant power. Auto manufacturers and environmentalists alike happily rode the bandwagon, pointing to hydrogen as the next big thing in U.S. energy policy. Yet the truth is that we arent much closer to a commercially viable hydrogen-powered car than we are to cold fusion or a cure for cancer. This hardly surprises engineers, fuel cell manufacturers and policymakers, who have known all along that the technology has been hyped, perhaps to its detriment, and that the public has been misled about what Howard Coffman, editor of fuelcell-info.com, describes as the undeniable realities of the hydrogen economy. These experts are confident that the hydrogen economy will arrivesomeday. But first, they say, we have to overcome daunting technological, financial and political roadblocks. Herewith, our checklist of misconceptions and doubts about hydrogen and the exalted fuel cell.
1. HYDROGEN IS AN ABUNDANT FUEL True, hydrogen is the most common element in the universe; its so plentiful that the sun consumes 600 million tons of it every second. But unlike oil, vast reservoirs of hydrogen dont exist here on Earth. Instead, hydrogen atoms are bound up in molecules with other elements, and we must expend energy to extract the hydrogen so it can be used in fuel cells. Well never get more energy out of hydrogen than we put into it.
Hydrogen is a currency, not a primary energy source, explains Geoffrey Ballard, the father of the modern-day fuel cell and co-founder of Ballard Power Systems, the worlds leading fuel-cell developer. Its a means of getting energy from where you created it to where you need it.
2. HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS WILL END GLOBAL WARMING Unlike internal combustion engines, hydrogen fuel cells do not emit carbon dioxide. But extracting hydrogen from natural gas, todays primary source, does. And wresting hydrogen from water through electrolysis takes tremendous amounts of energy. If that energy comes from power plants burning fossil fuels, the end product may be clean hydrogen, but the process used to obtain it is still dirty.
Once hydrogen is extracted, it must be compressed and transported, presumably by machinery and vehicles that in the early stages of a hydrogen economy will be running on fossil fuels. The result: even more C02. In fact, driving a fuel cell car with hydrogen extracted from natural gas or water could produce a net increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. People say that hydrogen cars would be pollution-free, observes University of Calgary engineering professor David Keith. Lightbulbs are pollution-free, but power plants are not.
In the short term, nuclear power may be the easiest way to produce hydrogen without pumping more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Electricity from a nuclear plant would electrolyze watersplitting H2O into hydrogen and oxygen. Ballard champions the idea, calling nuclear power extremely important, unless we see some other major breakthrough that none of us has envisioned.
Critics counter that nuclear power creates long-term waste problems and isnt economically competitive. An exhaustive industry analysis entitled The Future of Nuclear Power, written last year by 10 professors from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University, concludes that hydrogen produced by electrolysis of water depends on low-cost nuclear power. As long as electricity from nuclear power costs more than electricity from other sources, using that energy to make hydrogen doesnt add up.
3. THE HYDROGEN ECONOMY CAN RUN ON RENEWABLE ENERGY Perform electrolysis with renewable energy, such as solar or wind power, and you eliminate the pollution issues associated with fossil fuels and nuclear power. Trouble is, renewable sources can provide only a small fraction of the energy that will be required for a full-fledged hydrogen economy.
From 1998 to 2003, the generating capacity of wind power increased 28 percent in the U.S. to 6,374 megawatts, enough for roughly 1.6 million homes. The wind industry expects to meet 6 percent of the countrys electricity needs by 2020. But economist Andrew Oswald of the University of Warwick in England calculates that converting every vehicle in the U.S. to hydrogen power would require the electricity output of a million wind turbinesenough to cover half of California. Solar panels would likewise require huge swaths of land.
Water is another limiting factor for hydrogen production, especially in the sunny regions most suitable for solar power. According to a study done by the World Resources Institute, a Washington, D.C.based nonprofit organization, fueling a hydrogen economy with electrolysis would require 4.2 trillion gallons of water annuallyroughly the amount that flows over Niagara Falls every three months. Overall, U.S. water consumption would increase by about 10 percent.
4. HYDROGEN GAS LEAKS ARE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT Hydrogen gas is odorless and colorless, and it burns almost invisibly. A tiny fire may go undetected at a leaky fuel pump until your pant leg goes up in flames. And it doesnt take much to set compressed hydrogen gas alight. A cellphone or a lightning storm puts out enough static discharge to ignite hydrogen, claims Joseph Romm, author of The Hype about Hydrogen: Fact and Fiction in the Race to Save the Climate and founder of the Center for Energy and Climate Solutions in Arlington, Virginia.
A fender bender is unlikely to spark an explosion, because carbon-fiber-reinforced hydrogen tanks are virtually indestructible. But that doesnt eliminate the danger of leaks elsewhere in what will eventually be a huge network of refineries, pipelines and fueling stations. The obvious pitfall is that hydrogen is a gas, and most of our existing petrochemical sources are liquids, says Robert Uhrig, professor emeritus of nuclear engineering at the University of Tennessee and former vice president of Florida Power & Light. The infrastructure required to support high-pressure gas or cryogenic liquid hydrogen is much more complicated. Hydrogen is one of those things that people have great difficulty confining. It tends to go through the finest of holes.
To calculate the effects a leaky infrastructure might have on our atmosphere, a team of researchers from the California Institute of Technology and the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, looked at statistics for accidental industrial hydrogen and natural gas leakageestimated at 10 to 20 percent of total volumeand then predicted how much leakage might occur in an economy in which everything runs on hydrogen. Result: The amount of hydrogen in the atmosphere would be four to eight times as high as it is today.
The Caltech study grossly overstated hydrogen leakage, says Assistant Secretary David Garman of the Department of Energys Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy. But whatever its volume, hydrogen added to the atmosphere will combine with oxygen to form water vapor, creating noctilucent cloudsthose high, wispy tendrils you see at dawn and dusk. The increased cloud cover could accelerate global warming.
5. CARS ARE THE NATURAL FIRST APPLICATION FOR HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS An economically sane, cost-effective attack on the climate problem wouldnt start with cars, David Keith says. Cars and light trucks contribute roughly 20 percent of the carbon dioxide emitted in the U.S., while power plants burning fossil fuels are responsible for more than 40 percent of C02 emissions. Fuel cells designed for vehicles must cope with harsh conditions and severe limitations on size and weight.
A better solution to global warming might be to hold off building hydrogen cars, and instead harness fuel cells to generate electricity for homes and businesses. Plug Power, UTC, FuelCell Energy and Ballard Power Systems already market stationary fuel-cell generators. Plug Power alone has 161 systems in the U.S., including the first fuel-cell-powered McDonalds. Collectively, however, the four companies have a peak generating capacity of about 69 megawatts, less than 0.01 percent of the total 944,000 megawatts of U.S. generating capacity.
6. THE U.S. IS COMMITTED TO HYDROGEN, POURING BILLIONS INTO R&D Consider this: President George W. Bush promised to spend $1.2 billion on hydrogen. Yet he allotted $1.5 billion to promote healthy marriages. The monthly tab for the war in Iraq is $3.9 billiona total of $121 billion through last September. In 2004 the Department of Energy spent more on nuclear and fossil fuel research than on hydrogen.
The federal governments FreedomCAR program, which funds hydrogen R&D in conjunction with the big three American carmakers, requires that the companies demonstrate a hydrogen-powered car by 2008but not that they sell one.
If you are serious about [hydrogen], you have to commit a whole lot more money, contends Guenter Conzelmann, deputy director of the Center for Energy, Environmental and Economic Systems Analysis at Argonne National Laboratory near Chicago. Conzelmann develops computer models to help the energy industry make predictions about the cost of implementing new technology. His estimate for building a hydrogen economy: more than $500 billion, and thats if 60 percent of Americans continue to drive cars with internal combustion engines.
Shell, ExxonMobil and other oil companies are unwilling to invest in production, distribution, fueling facilities and storage if there are just a handful of hydrogen cars on the road. Nor will automakers foot the bill and churn out thousands of hydrogen cars if drivers have nowhere to fill them up. Peter Devlin, head of the Department of Energys hydrogen-production research group, says, Our industry partners have told us that unless a fourth to a third of all refueling stations in the U.S. offer hydrogen, they wont be willing to take a chance on fuel cells.
To create hydrogen fueling stations, California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who drives a Hummer, has championed the Hydrogen Highway Project. His plan is to erect 150 to 200 stationsat a cost of at least $500,000 eachalong the states major highways by the end of the decade. So thats one state. Now what about the other 100,775 filling stations in the rest of the U.S.? Retrofitting just 25 percent of those with hydrogen fueling systems would cost more than $13 billion.
7. IF ICELAND CAN DO IT, SO CAN WE Icelands first hydrogen fueling station is already operating on the outskirts of Reykjavík. The hydrogen, which powers a small fleet of fuel cell buses, is produced onsite from electrolyzed tap water. Meanwhile the recently formed Icelandic New Energya consortium that includes automakers, Royal Dutch/Shell and the Icelandic power company Norsk Hydrois planning to convert the rest of the island nation to a hydrogen system.
Impressive, yes. But 72 percent of Icelands electricity comes from geothermal and hydroelectric power. With so much readily available clean energy, Iceland can electrolyze water with electricity directly from the national power grid. This type of setup is impossible in the U.S., where only about 15 percent of grid electricity comes from geothermal and hydroelectric sources, while 71 percent is generated by burning fossil fuels.
Another issue is the sheer scale of the system. It could take as few as 16 hydrogen fueling stations to enable Icelanders to drive fuel cell cars anywhere in the country. At close to 90 times the size of Iceland, the U.S. would require a minimum of 1,440 fueling stations. This assumes that stations would be strategically placed to collectively cover the entire U.S. with no overlap and that everyone knows where to find the pumps.
8. MASS PRODUCTION WILL MAKE HYDROGEN CARS AFFORDABLE Simply mass-producing fuel cell cars wont necessarily slash costs. According to Patrick Davis, the former leader of the Department of Energys fuel cell research team, If you project todays fuel cell technologies into high-volume productionabout 500,000 vehicles a yearthe cost is still up to six times too high.
Raj Choudhury, operations manager for the General Motors fuel cell program, claims that GM will have a commercial fuel cell vehicle ready by 2010. Others are doubtful. Ballard says that first there needs to be a fundamental engineering rethink of the proton exchange membrane (PEM) fuel cell, the type being developed for automobiles, which still cannot compete with the industry standard for internal combustion enginesa life span of 15 years, or about 170,000 driving miles. Because of membrane deterioration, todays PEM fuel cells typically fail during their first 2,000 hours of operation.
Ballard insists that his original PEM design was merely a prototype. Ten years ago I said it was the height of engineering arrogance to think that the architecture and geometry we chose to demonstrate the fuel cell in automobiles would be the best architecture and geometry for a commercial automobile, he remarks. Very few people paid attention to that statement. The truth is that the present geometry isnt getting the price down to where it is commercial. It isnt even entering into the envelope that will allow economies of scale to drive the price down.
In the short term, conventional gasoline-burning vehicles will be replaced by gas-electric hybrids, or by vehicles that burn clean diesel, natural gas, methanol or ethanol. Only later will hydrogen cars make sense, economically and environmentally. Most analysts think it will take several decades for hydrogen to make a large impact, assuming hydrogen technologies reach their goals, notes Joan Ogden, an associate professor of environmental science and policy at the University of California at Davis and one of the worlds leading researchers of hydrogen energy.
9. FUEL CELL CARS CAN DRIVE HUNDREDS OF MILES ON A SINGLE TANK OF HYDROGEN A gallon of gasoline contains about 2,600 times the energy of a gallon of hydrogen. If engineers want hydrogen cars to travel at least 300 miles between fill-upsthe automotive-industry benchmarktheyll have to compress hydrogen gas to extremely high pressures: up to 10,000 pounds per square inch.
Even at that pressure, cars would need huge fuel tanks. High-pressure hydrogen would take up four times the volume of gasoline, says JoAnn Milliken, chief engineer of the Department of Energys Office of Hydrogen, Fuel Cells and Infrastructure Technologies.
Liquid hydrogen works a bit better. GMs liquid-fueled HydroGen3 goes 250 miles on a tank roughly double the size of that in a standard sedan. But the car must be driven every day to keep the liquid hydrogen chilled to 253 degrees Celsiusjust 20 degrees above absolute zero and well below the surface temperature of Plutoor it boils off. If your car sits at the airport for a week, youll have an empty tank when you get back, Milliken says.
? IF NOT HYDROGEN, THEN WHAT? The near-future prospects for a hydrogen economy are dim, concludes The Hydrogen Economy: Opportunities, Costs, Barriers, and R&D Needs, a major government-sponsored study published last February by the National Research Council. Representatives from ExxonMobil, Ford, DuPont, the Natural Resources Defense Council and other stakeholders contributed to the report, which urges lawmakers to legislate tougher tailpipe-emission standards and to earmark additional R&D funding for renewable energy and alternative fuels. It foresees major hurdles on the path to achieving the vision of the hydrogen economy and recommends that the Department of Energy keep a balanced portfolio of R&D efforts and continue to explore supply-and-demand alternatives that do not depend on hydrogen.
Of course, for each instance where the study points out how hydrogen falls short, there are scores of advocates armed with data to show how it can succeed. Physicist Amory Lovins, who heads the Rocky Mountain Institute, a think tank in Colorado, fastidiously rebuts the most common critiques of hydrogen with an armada of facts and figures in his widely circulated white paper Twenty Hydrogen Myths. But although hes a booster of hydrogen, Lovins is notably pragmatic. A lot of silly things have been written both for and against hydrogen, he says. Some sense of reality is lacking on both sides. He believes that whether the hydrogen economy arrives at the end of this decade or closer to midcentury, interim technologies will play a signal role in the transition.
The most promising of these technologies is the gas-electric hybrid vehicle, which uses both an internal combustion engine and an electric motor, switching seamlessly between the two to optimize gas mileage and engine efficiency. U.S. sales of hybrid cars have been growing steadily, and the 2005 model year saw the arrival of the first hybrid SUVsthe Ford Escape, Toyota Highlander and Lexus RX400h.
Researchers sponsored by the FreedomCAR program are also investigating ultralight materialsplastics, fiberglass, titanium, magnesium, carbon fiberand developing lighter engines made from aluminum and ceramic materials. These new materials could help reduce vehicle power demands, bridging the cost gap between fossil fuels and fuel cells.
Most experts agree that there is no silver bullet. Instead the key is developing a portfolio of energy-efficient technologies that can help liberate us from fossil fuels and ease global warming. If we had a wider and more diverse set of energy sources, wed be more robust, more stable, says Jonathan Pershing, director of the Climate, Energy and Pollution Program at the World Resources Institute. The more legs your chair rests on, the less likely it is to tip over.
Waiting for hydrogen to save us isnt an option. If we fail to act during this decade to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, historians will condemn us, Romm writes in The Hype about Hydrogen. And they will most likely be living in a world with a much hotter and harsher climate than ours, one that has undergone an irreversible change for the worse.
Sorry, can't see it. The natural gas industry was replacing an older and more dangerous tech - oil lamps, fireplaces and candles. Natural gas is safer than those techs in total, even though there were problems.
Current hydrocarbon fuels are safer then 10K psi tanks and will always be (you just can't store that much pressure without risk). Hydrogen powered fuel cells will have to go a hell of a long way to equal or even come close to hydrocarbon fuels in vehicles.
There is more than a smattering of religion in hydrogen power advocates. Its the Holy Grail. Too bad for the advocates that science cares not for their desires for no-emission transports, it only cares about chemistry, physics and the possible.
Hybrid vehicles, electrics, ultra-light materials and nuc power are the only real alternatives that will work in the near future.
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Not I, Dave. I think they're ugly as hell! 'Course that's what some people say about drilling rig derricks, but at least they're not permanent.
The difference in using natural gas as a propellant for our cars and using hydrogen is that about 10% concentration of natural gas in the surrounding atmosphere is necessary for combustion.
As we saw from the Hindenburg disaster, hydrogen is much more combustible.
Totally agree. But if there were the armys of lawyers, regulators, anti-progress press and general NIMBY's back then that we have now, its introduction and wide spread use would have been greatly slowed. As you stated, it's use was such an advance in heating and lighting that naysayers were likely squelched. Today we are comfortable in our climate-controlled environment, so any change is resisted. I agree with your conclusion -- in the future non-renewable energy will be the mixture of technologies you listed.
BTTT!!!!!!!
If you think you are such a hot scientist or engineer, then why don't you do you job and explain your point so others on this forum can appreciate your insight. Or perhaps you are one of those ivory tower types that can't be bothered to lower yourself to communicate with the "little people" who should just take your word that you know what you are talking about. Or maybe you are just some engineering freshman that got his first "A" and thinks he knows it all.
So far you have done nothing but insult myself and other members of this forum by your condescending remarks to me, to kidd and to Publius6961 without even knowing anything about us. Now I know whay Publius6961 meant by the nut job types soon posting here. Not based on knowledge, but on attitude.
Your link goes to a company propaganda website, which are typically not reliable sources of information. And I do mean company propaganda. They are trying to sell their product. Congratulations - they run a business involving high efficiency fuel cell technology. If you are their salesrep, I would definitely be buying somewhere else.
Based on their website, hydrocarbons are the fuel, energy is release as hydrogen is produced and the hydrogen is subsequently used for more energy production. It is simply getting more useable energy from a hydrocarbon source than simple combustion will provide. The problem is that the hydrogen is only a fraction of the total energy content of the initial hydrocarbon.
From a scientific and engineering perspectie, the technology looks promising, but if it can't compete with existing, combustion based technology, it is next to useless except for specialty applications.
If you want that hydrogen available for use off site, you still need a hydrogen infrastructure to carry it and that has all the problems mentioned in the article above - low energy density and safety concerns. If you want to use it where it is produced, you need to get something a lot smaller and a lot more affordable.
Also, you still need fossil fuels as the starting material. What happens to the carbon in this process? The link doesn't say. If it's not CO2, then it is either locked up with some other, unmentioned material that will be a consumable, or the process does not get the last bit of energy out of the initial hydrocarbon. Are you able to elaborate on this, or are you just going to tell me to "look it up" because you either don't know or can't waste your time explaining things. I think it would be the former.
Now how hard was that to explain to members on this forum without getting a hot pepper up someplace uncomfortable? Other members here think of using electrolysis from a non-fossil fuel source, which isn't a bad idea, either. Nuclear is the most often cited and someone proposed fusion, if that becomes viable.
Because we were investigating a 10Kpsi tank on an unmanned missile, we tested it with a 50 cal bullet. The bullet ruptured the tank quickly enough that the release of pressure occurred all at once. It exploded with enough force to move the walls of the test chamber. Pieces of tank and chamber were ejected at high velocity and penetrated several inches into foam boards. Stuff flew over 50 m from the blast.
I for one would consider such a tank highly dangerous for driving around. Hence I agree with the author that H2 tanks should be used for stationary power use, not autos.
You are correct hostate, but the stripper operation produces hydrocarbon polution that must be accounted for. The author was making the point that even though burning H2 is clean, making it is not. You don't disagree with this do you?
Most scientist I know avoid making people look stupid. It's a waste of time. I don't have a lot of time, but when something in my field of expertise or from my experience does come up, I am willing to share. Many of us here are doing our homework on areas that will make money for our employers. We like FR becasue most of the people here are of the smae mind. For example, the CEO of a company knows his products and his people, but will rely on his R&D staff to take care of the science side as long as something useful and profitable is the result. He doesn't need the deep understanding his R&D people have, just the basic facts about the product and what is needed to make it, sell it and maintain it.
No but the catalytic resin in the reformer can be changed out like changing oil in a car.
There is never a free lunch.
The reforemer fuel cell just makes all the ugly manageable.
Now the one poster who said it will never replace the ICE is to some extent correct. It will never achieve the power ratios that say a diesel can attain.
Here's my vision:
ICEs are eventually relagated to commerical vehicles and engines that have an industrial permit because the power they generate is not easily created by alternatives.
Commuter autos and batteries get replaced by fuel cell alternatives. Hybrids are a conservation play in the interim.
The jury is out on H2 infrastructure because of explosive and corrosion concerns. But H2 infrastructure may not be necessary.
Nice thoughtful post. And correct as far as I can tell. If environmentalists really worry about global warming, (and I am on the side that says we are 100 years from knowing for sure), then those environmentalists should embrace nuclear fission power. It has the potential to replace hydrocarbon sources of electricity and does not contribute to global greenhouse effect. It the environmentalists remain strongly anti-nuclear, then they are not really concerned about global warming and probably only want to see a communist led world with themselves in charge.
Fine preach away. Just look at MKTY on the NASDAQ and think who is making money today. Read their news and study their manangement. Dr. Acker is a reputable scientist who has integrity and whose products are award winners in Scientific American.
No I am not gracious or eloquent on this thread. I am on others.
But why should I care? I'm anonymous.
If I have grabbed your goat GOOD! Why? Becuase the comments on this thread make people think Freepers are clueless when it comes to developments save for a few garden variety arguments such gee nuclear could be used to generate H2 and then blah blah blah....it's embarassing.
Remember I said MKTY.
Do your homework goddammit!!! (my drill sargeant persona).
Fine preach away. Just look at MKTY on the NASDAQ and think who is making money today. Read their news and study their manangement. Dr. Acker is a reputable scientist who has integrity and whose products are award winners in Scientific American.
No I am not gracious or eloquent on this thread. I am on others.
But why should I care? I'm anonymous.
If I have grabbed your goat GOOD! Why? Becuase the comments on this thread make people think Freepers are clueless when it comes to developments save for a few garden variety arguments such gee nuclear could be used to generate H2 and then blah blah blah....it's embarassing.
Remember I said MKTY.
Do your homework goddammit!!! (my drill sargeant persona).
Red herring; every drop of water is returned as well as every molecule of oxygen in the form of water vapor; basic 2nd law function.
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You mean the same ones that tell us "man's future is in space" and then want the taxpayers to fund manned space exploration? I think they're the same crowd
To prevent rusting of my tools and other items, I then open the window to allow drier air to mix and slide the curtain back until the next laundry day.
Also, a gallon of petroleum contains more hydrogen than a gallon of liquid hydrogen.
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