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ACLU Files Suit in Pa. Over Evolution
FOX News ^

Posted on 12/14/2004 7:14:55 AM PST by wkdaysoff

HARRISBURG, Pa. — The state American Civil Liberties Union (search) plans to file a federal lawsuit Tuesday against a Pennsylvania school district that is requiring students to learn about alternatives to the theory of evolution (search).

The ACLU said its lawsuit will be the first to challenge whether public schools should teach "intelligent design," which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: aclu; crevolist; lawsuit; scienceeducation
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To: Rudder

Frankly, I don't care what you have to explain. I don't look at it that way at all. Simply put, evolution and creation are mutually exclusive. Therefore, in my opinion, I believe that creation happened as stated in Genesis. I am confident in my beliefs and strengthened by my faith. So, what you believe is really not relevant. The relevancy is the constant anger and vitriole that comes from some people that protest to be experts in evolution but none of them can even agree as to the age of the Earth. To me, Genesis falsifies evolution.


481 posted on 12/14/2004 5:06:25 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: jpsb
am beyond help, yall secular humanists with your subjective morality have won.

Geez, another dishonest creationist equivocating evolution with atheism.

understand Christan are once again being jailed by the state in Europe

Got a citation?

I'd respond to the rest of your rant, but I'm sick of idiot theists -- and Christians in particular -- making the false assertion that a lack of theism alone leads to total destructive hedonism because they're too stupid to consider that maybe -- just maybe -- not every atheist is as sociopathic as they are.
482 posted on 12/14/2004 5:06:57 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Modernman

Who's arguing with whom?


483 posted on 12/14/2004 5:07:01 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Right in Wisconsin
The relevancy is the constant anger and vitriole that comes from some people that protest to be experts in evolution
You're looking at it wrong. This is supposed to be fun. Only that can be the reason we're all still hanging out here pushing 500 posts. Remember we're all vile and angry in a Creo-Evo debate... it looks mean, but we're smiling when we post. And we'll still drink beer with you afterwords.
484 posted on 12/14/2004 5:11:52 PM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: jpsb; Right Wing Professor; crail; Dimensio
There is no God, ergo no objective morality, anything goes. No more right, no more wrong. If it feels good do it. Nice world you are creating

Lost count of the number of Creationists who have virtually told me the purpose of belief on a literal 6-day Young Earth Creation is to keep them from thieving, raping, murdering.

So I suppose it's some use

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
- Lucius Annaeus Seneca

485 posted on 12/14/2004 5:16:54 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Ain't I a stinker?" B Bunny)
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To: crail
What we would consider as moral behavior was not at all that common in earlier times. I claim that the lack of moral behavior was because of a lack of Supreme being that OBJECTIVELY defined moral behavior. Things like "Thu shall not murder." and other quaint old fashioned ideas.

the vast majority of people, over the vast majority of time, have acted morally

I find it ironic that yall bash creationists for saying "well it just is" and then resorting to the same "well it just is" argument when I come along. Very ironic. You will be happy to know I stay away from the evolution threads as most degenerate into name calling fairly quickly, this was my first venture into such a thread and will be my last for a while. I think I made my point.

On evolution, I am not convinced, it appears some mechanism caused life to under go great change on planet earth. However I do not think survival of the fittest is that mechanism. Alien tera forming makes more sense, since the big changes appear to happen quickly. And I am unaware of any proof of evolution.

To teach an unproven theory as (forgive me) the Gospel is really arrogant in the extreme.

486 posted on 12/14/2004 5:19:02 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb; Right Wing Professor; Right in Wisconsin; ColoCdn; Dimensio
Well I gotta fly. It's been fun and enlightening. I'll see you all at the next Creo-Evo mixer.
487 posted on 12/14/2004 5:20:16 PM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: jpsb
To teach an unproven theory

Redundant statement. All theories in science are "unproven". Theories in science are never proven.

However I do not think survival of the fittest is that mechanism.

Survival of the fittest is a consequence, not a mechanism.
488 posted on 12/14/2004 5:20:19 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: jpsb

And I'll give you the last word.


489 posted on 12/14/2004 5:20:35 PM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: VadeRetro

Like I said repeatedly, I don't need to or visit cartoon websites. Saying such a generalized and condescending comment as you did, bespeaks the intelligence of the writer. Again, as I repeated many times, I don't care whether or not you believe my posts to be true. I believe they are true and frankly that's all that matters. You and your buddies can keep throwing all of your illogical intolerance at me all you want, I'm sincere and content in my beliefs. God I hate being defensive like you TOE's, but I don't waste time with any cartoon website and really am quite offended by that comment. That hit me out of the blue as it was something I have not yet been accused of. Guess my time has come, better dis the degrees.


490 posted on 12/14/2004 5:22:06 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: WildTurkey

I've ignored no science; I've wisened up!


491 posted on 12/14/2004 5:24:09 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: WildTurkey

LOL - you really are misinformed about the Creationist theory. I believe that dinosaurs existed. LOL!!


492 posted on 12/14/2004 5:27:49 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Right in Wisconsin

You object to me saying Muslims who want Sahira law are ignorant, unintellectual and misinformed?


493 posted on 12/14/2004 5:28:42 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("Ain't I a stinker?" B Bunny)
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To: crail

thanks enjoyed the conversation, but the name callers are here so while I await sci fi channel earthsea I think I will return fire. And I really did enjoy the conservation.


494 posted on 12/14/2004 5:29:51 PM PST by jpsb
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To: crail

Your right, you were born that way. God imprinted His laws on the heart of every person. Big difference between being a nice guy, and having Christian moral values. How would you explain to your child that the action they are getting kicked in the a@@ for is wrong?


495 posted on 12/14/2004 5:31:05 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Right Wing Professor

Come on professor, you can do better than that. How could 68% of the current population believe in a theory that was discarded over 100 years ago? Are you certain it was "discarded" or wanting to believe it was discarded?

So, in your great mind, religion and mathematic capability are comparable?


496 posted on 12/14/2004 5:37:09 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: chronic_loser
no one posits that the genetic changes requisite for microbe to man have to occur sequentially, not wistar, nor anyone else I know of.

You brought up Wistar. It has the usual disease of creationist arguments--bad models based upon ignorance of biology. When you take away the laughable assumptions, the flaws of which are pointed out in the link I gave you, there's nothing left in Wistar for creationists to crow about. The bad pennies of creationism keep turning up after 40 years.

497 posted on 12/14/2004 5:37:53 PM PST by VadeRetro (Nothing means anything when you go to Hell for knowing what things mean.)
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To: Dimensio
"Geez, another dishonest creationist equivocating evolution with atheism."

Well, then yall should be fighting the ACLU and opposing removing God from our schools. And by the way I am not a creationist in the sense you are using the term. I am not defending the creationism, I am objecting to the ACLU attack on Christans and Christan values. I object to human secularism becomming the state religion, which is apparently the goal of the ACLU.

498 posted on 12/14/2004 5:39:04 PM PST by jpsb
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To: ThinkPlease
are currently in effect in our reality are very nearly the same laws and constants that were in effect as far back in time as we can detect with instruments

And how far back in time can your instruments detect?

499 posted on 12/14/2004 5:40:01 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: ThinkPlease

I was mimicking someone, you'd have to go back the post I was responding to in such flowery language.


500 posted on 12/14/2004 5:41:28 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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