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ACLU Files Suit in Pa. Over Evolution
FOX News ^

Posted on 12/14/2004 7:14:55 AM PST by wkdaysoff

HARRISBURG, Pa. — The state American Civil Liberties Union (search) plans to file a federal lawsuit Tuesday against a Pennsylvania school district that is requiring students to learn about alternatives to the theory of evolution (search).

The ACLU said its lawsuit will be the first to challenge whether public schools should teach "intelligent design," which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: aclu; crevolist; lawsuit; scienceeducation
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To: Right in Wisconsin
Actually, evolution does explain in secular terms the origins of life.

No, it doesn't.

281 posted on 12/14/2004 12:26:39 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Dimensio

I am referring to the fact that scientists disagree over whether or not creationism is a theory.


282 posted on 12/14/2004 12:27:17 PM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: wkdaysoff

LOL!!

Is this an April Fools joke?

Tell me there are not really people that don't understand evolution?


283 posted on 12/14/2004 12:27:50 PM PST by MaineRepublic (Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides)
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To: TOUGH STOUGH
I am referring to the fact that scientists disagree over whether or not creationism is a theory.

If creationism is a theory, then it will meet the required criteria. If it doesn't, then it's not a theory and I question the intellectual honesty of any "scientist" who argues that it is.
284 posted on 12/14/2004 12:29:09 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: contemplator

He asked why, if Christians did not think the world was flat, did the Catholic Church recently apologize to Galileo. I was making a distinction that needed to be made. If my memory of history serves me, the issue with Galileo was that he claimed (correctly) that we were not the center of the universe, not that the Earth was round. That said, I believe there were many protestant religions in practice in the 1600's


285 posted on 12/14/2004 12:30:05 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Dimensio
Repeated again for the benefit of creationists who clearly don't know what it is:
The Theory of Evolution. Excellent introductory encyclopedia article.
286 posted on 12/14/2004 12:31:29 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Dimensio; Right in Wisconsin; Rudder

I just wanted to get it from the horse's mouth.


287 posted on 12/14/2004 12:32:21 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: RightWingNilla

"Does "academic freedom" include teaching astrology and alchemy in science class too?"

They are as valid a belief system as evolution, choose your poison.


288 posted on 12/14/2004 12:33:57 PM PST by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Right in Wisconsin
Actually, evolution does explain in secular terms the origins of life.

This is just flat out wrong. The TOE does not deal with the origins of life.

289 posted on 12/14/2004 12:34:26 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ThinkPlease
with fossils that are dated at an age well outside accpeted norms

an non-controversial piece of data disputing age determinations in all fields would be a grand test of evolution.

How is that age determined and proven?

290 posted on 12/14/2004 12:35:28 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Amish with an attitude
"A usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon."

Lousy definition. It misses completely the essential aspect of a myth - that it's untrue or at best highly exaggerated.

Has the Second law of thermodynamics been revised

Not significantly, no. Thre wasn't a conflict between it and evolution when Clausius formulated it, and there still isn't.

291 posted on 12/14/2004 12:36:56 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Dimensio

"Explain how the second law of thermodynamics stands at odds with the theory of evolution."

Physics proposes a picture of the cosmos "running down" toward an eventual state of entropy, whereas evolution as looked at "globally," represents a "current moving in the opposite direction from entropy.


292 posted on 12/14/2004 12:38:44 PM PST by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: Amish with an attitude
"Does "academic freedom" include teaching astrology and alchemy in science class too?" They are as valid a belief system as evolution, choose your poison.

No, they're not. Alchemy and astrology are demonstrably erroneous pseudosciences. Evolution is a demonstrably factual scientific theory.

293 posted on 12/14/2004 12:39:24 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Amish with an attitude
Physics proposes a picture of the cosmos "running down" toward an eventual state of entropy, whereas evolution as looked at "globally," represents a "current moving in the opposite direction from entropy.

Er, except that "globally" is not "cosmically". The local entropy of the earth can decrease and there is no violation of the second law so long as the overall entropy of the cosmos continues to increase. Evolution does not propose that the overall entropy of the cosmos decreases, so there's no conflict.
294 posted on 12/14/2004 12:41:11 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Amish with an attitude
Physics proposes a picture of the cosmos "running down" toward an eventual state of entropy, whereas evolution as looked at "globally," represents a "current moving in the opposite direction from entropy.

Nonsense. Evolution, looked at globally, is driven by the flow of energy from the sun, a heat source at 10000 K (on the surface), into the ambient universe at 2 K. The rate of entropy increase in that process is at least 20 orders of magnitude greater than the rate of entropy decrease due to evolution, which is probably unmeasurably small.

295 posted on 12/14/2004 12:41:50 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right in Wisconsin
How is that age determined and proven?

Through independent dating of a variety of different radiometric isotopes that have known decay rates. Both from different samples are taken from the same source, as well as different isotopes on the same source, if possible. But don't just listen to me, read what Dr. Roger Wiens has to say in:

Radiometric Dating, A Christian Perspective

There are other methods of establishing and correlating dates that have been used to firm up history out to about 100,000 years without just simply relying on radiometric dating.

Finally, Astrophysics provides still more evidence of an ancient universe, in case all of the other evidence isn't enough, but that's another post.

296 posted on 12/14/2004 12:43:05 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Modernman

My guess had nothing to do with ID, it had everything to do with my belief that the ant and wasp were created at the same time.


297 posted on 12/14/2004 12:45:03 PM PST by Right in Wisconsin
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To: Right Wing Professor

"factual scientific theory."

Sounds like the proverbial oxymoron.



298 posted on 12/14/2004 12:46:15 PM PST by Amish with an attitude (Entropy is the greatest foe of evolution)
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To: wkdaysoff

I see the DNC Mother ship is still at large. We need to file a law suit stating the existence of the ACLU itself deprives Americans of their civil liberties it destroys. Then provide all the frivolous lawsuits they have brought forward as proof. Destroy the beast from within, lets help it catch a cold.
299 posted on 12/14/2004 12:47:12 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Right in Wisconsin
Actually, evolution does explain in secular terms the origins of life.

Wrong. That is a lie. Life must exist before evolution can occur. There is no other way. Sorry. The only mixed-goo story I am aware of is found in Genesis. Do many Evolutionists believe in Big Bang and spontaneous/non-Deity life? Yes. That in NO WAY means that evolution covers the origins of life, or the universe, or chive cream cheese.

Intelligent design is a scientific alternative to evolution.

No, it is NOT. It is certainly an alternative, but it is not, not, not, not, not science. I've seen the "peer reviewed" journal you are discussing. It's one article, IIRC. It's about as solid as Phrenology.

300 posted on 12/14/2004 12:47:24 PM PST by Shryke (My Beeb-o-meter goes all the way to eleven.)
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