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WSJ: The Nanny Chronicles -- Lock your doors; the Mexican maids are coming. (Immigration reform)
Wall Street Journal ^ | December 14, 2004 | Editorial

Posted on 12/14/2004 6:02:37 AM PST by OESY

...Think about the Kerik example: The man and his wife have two small kids.... A nanny offers that help, and she seems both nice enough and gets along with kids. Whether or not she's "legal" seems less important to most American parents than whether she's trustworthy and hard-working.

As for the nanny, she's traveled hundreds, if not thousands, of miles from home to make some money and get ahead. Her primary concern isn't running some Immigration Service gantlet but is to find a good family that pays decently and treats her well. Are we really supposed to believe that this kind of transaction between consenting adults jeopardizes our national security?

...Congress made some progress on the so-called nanny tax issue back in 1994, raising the threshold for complying and simplifying the process by which employers file taxes for their domestic help.

...Most Americans calculate the costs -- in time, legal advice and hassle -- of filling out all the forms, and they simply pay cash instead. The wage threshold should long ago have been raised far higher.

As for immigration law, the Bush Administration is headed down the right path with its guest-worker program. That proposal acknowledges that immigrants fill vital jobs, that movement across borders is inevitable as long as there is the lure of opportunity, and that merely adding more border guards won't stop migrants in any case.

The Bush plan would provide a legal means -- a three-year work visa -- for new immigrants to enter the country and take jobs Americans don't want. Some of them could even be nannies. That system would make it easier to track all foreigners, freeing up our homeland security forces to concentrate on terror threats, rather than rounding up the usual nanny suspects....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; homelandsecurity; immigrantlist; immigration; ins; kerik; kimbawood; lindachavez; nanny; socialsecurity; taxes; zoebaird
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To: Joe Hadenuf

I live on Long Island where we are inundated with illegals and they are not being hired by large conglomerations. The middle class on up all use lawn companies who hire illegals. Practically no one does their own lawn anymore. Groups of illegals stand on main road street corners where they jump into the trucks of local contractors for local jobs in peoples homes. I see them pushing the carriages of babies in middle and upper middle class areas. It is not just a small elite who is at fault.


161 posted on 12/14/2004 1:00:35 PM PST by CaptainK
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To: jpl

"I have to admit, I had to go look at the source code in order to figure out how to put the tilde above the 'n'.
I've seen a lot here at Free Republic, but I think this is the first time I've seen an argument over a tilde!"

There are several ways to put international characters in a post. For myself, I use the International Keyboard setting in Windows, and can do those things really easily. There's also the Character Map program that lets you copy characters to the clipboard. Another way that some folks use is to use a program like Word and use the Insert/Symbol menu command, then cut and paste into the post.

The point here was that the gentleman was castigating another poster for his poor Spanish (although the only thing wrong was the wrong tense for one verb), then used the incorrect spelling for the curseword he called the gentleman. He used a plain n instead of ñ in the word, making it mean something completely different than he intended.

If you're going to criticize someone's use of a foreign language, I'd say you should probably post your own use of it correctly. But, oh well.


162 posted on 12/14/2004 1:15:05 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: jpl

Oh yeah, I forgot one more way. With the NumLock light on, you can hold down Alt and type 0241 on the number pad key to get ñ, as long as you're using Windows.


163 posted on 12/14/2004 1:20:38 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Fatalis

Yep, thank goodness the elites can find cheap illegal nannies, so that they can go off and better the lives of the peons.


164 posted on 12/14/2004 3:46:27 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

You can bet that whoever is tapped to be the DHS, it'll be another leader of the OBL. Lieberman, etc.


165 posted on 12/14/2004 3:48:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: jpl; MineralMan
MM is a stickler. For example, he will not accept "tovarishch" for the Russian word comrade. He demands it be written in the original Cyrillic. He considers the use of standard transliteration devices to be "misspellings."

Hey MM, vaya al carrajo, conyo.
166 posted on 12/14/2004 3:51:42 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Doctorlawyer; MineralMan

BTW, since it seems to bother MM so much, there is no Spanish verb "piensaran." It's "pensaran" in the future tense. (MM: Pretend there is a little accent mark over the "a" in "ran".) Pienso is first person present tense, but the "ie" form doesn't carry through for the verb pensar. Anyway, the tense was not the problem with 68. The errors were elsewhere. But I don't mind, I understood you, and that's fine. So would illegal alien nannies and gardeners, I'm sure.


167 posted on 12/14/2004 4:09:09 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: FrankWild
Because some of us need to work 70 hours per week and houses don't clean themselves!

I'm all for stricter enforcement of immigration laws, but don't play that dime store populist BS because some of us don't have the time (or the talent) to clean our houses, mow our lawns, etc.

168 posted on 12/14/2004 4:24:00 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: Ah Beng

This plan sounds like the one you guys have where you are that your wife told me about with the maids! Doesn't seem too popular here of course.


169 posted on 12/14/2004 4:26:06 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: Fatalis; Doctorlawyer
If not for those nannies, the wealthy would not be out there with their innovative ideas and strong work ethic

Somehow I see a conflict between hiring illegals and having a strong work ethic....

170 posted on 12/14/2004 5:08:36 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: FrankWild
So how does the GOP win presidential elections after then?

Looks like they're trying to get a slice of that pie, Americans be damned. Vicente the scum Fox was here in St. Paul Minnesota with the blessing of Pres Bush and Norm Coleman to set up a new consulate.

Either they do not see that we are becoming a country of many nations, or they don't care. (and of course they must keep the RNC and DNC machines well oiled)

171 posted on 12/14/2004 5:16:47 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Travis McGee
There are days I just plain forget what it's like to walk in their shoes.
172 posted on 12/14/2004 5:19:03 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: sitetest
I agree, though, that knowingly hiring illegal aliens,and paying them under the table, is taking advantage of them. But I don't call it slavery. Slavery was and is a bit more serious than this.

Can we call them both "peculiar institutions?"

The gentry just can't manage without 'em!

173 posted on 12/14/2004 5:21:20 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: Lijahsbubbe
You hush now! Run on and clean those lawn jockeys.
174 posted on 12/14/2004 5:27:48 PM PST by Fatalis
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To: Fatalis

Dear Fatalis,

"Can we call them both 'peculiar institutions?'"

I don't think so.

One is just run-of-the-mill scummy. Not so peculiar at all.


sitetest


175 posted on 12/14/2004 5:29:18 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Travis McGee

Usted tiene razón. "Pensará" es correcto.

¿Enseña el español?


176 posted on 12/14/2004 7:25:38 PM PST by Doctorlawyer
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To: Clemenza
some of us don't have the time (or the talent) to clean our houses, mow our lawns, etc.

As long as you can pay minimum wages, their social security and provide them a health insurance policy or pay them enough that they can afford one --- but then with that you should be able to afford an American employee. What you should not expect to do is bring in your dirt-cheap laborers and have the taxpayer provide free health care and all the rest for them.

177 posted on 12/14/2004 8:01:58 PM PST by FITZ
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To: TigerTale
If you can prove Kerik was forcing the nanny to care for his children, then you had better post substantiation before using the term "slavery."

And another reason --- slave owners actually provided for their slaves --- with illegals, the providing of health care and everything else is up to the taxpayers. Slave owners provided housing for their slaves, but illegal owners figure the taxpayers can provide them generous housing subsidies. And food stamps, and WIC and free education for their children.

178 posted on 12/14/2004 8:05:29 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Doctorlawyer
The better argument is that we should legalize those that are here and get them on the tax rolls.

And the minute that happens --- their employers will dump them and recruit more illegals. The only reason they hire these people now is so they don't have to pay into Social Security, or pay minimum wages, or provide them a health care plan. They adore their cheap taxpayer-subsidized labor --- the taxpayers can provide all that --- notice Bush never once mentioned the employers providing health care insurance for their "guests"?

179 posted on 12/14/2004 8:08:22 PM PST by FITZ
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To: OESY
Whether or not she's "legal" seems less important to most American parents than whether she's trustworthy and hard-working.

I'm guessing the crack dealer selling dope to school kids thinks "legal" isn't very important either.

And who are they kidding when they say most Americans when its just the rich few who have foreign born illegals watching over their kids while they carry on two cheating love affairs and try to maintain their marriage and reputation??

LOL!

Its sad that the WSJ can advocate breaking the law for greed and try to cover that up with by saying the illegals are hard-working and trustworthy.

The prisons are full of criminals that can justify their crimes just as well as the WSJ!

180 posted on 12/14/2004 8:17:39 PM PST by Walkin Man
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