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Science Shows That Homosexuals Are Not "Born That Way."
December 13, 2004

Posted on 12/13/2004 9:51:59 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Camille Paglia: " We should be honest enough to consider whether homosexuality may not indeed be a pausing at the prepubscent stage where children anxiously band together bt gender...current gay cant insists that homosexuality is 'not a choice'; that no one would choose to be gay in a homophobic society. But there is an element of choice in all behavior, sexual or otherwise. It takes an effort to deal with the opposite sex; it is safer to deal with your own kind. The issue is one of challenge versus comfort."

Keep talking that way Camille and the DNC will take away your membership card.

In general I don't agree with Camille Paglia's liberal politics, but when ever I see her on TV I can't help but like her. Most other feminists are whining shrews. Camille is just the opposite.

41 posted on 12/13/2004 10:29:54 AM PST by KarlInOhio (In a just world, Arafat would have died at the end of a rope.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; Travis McGee; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Bryan; little jeremiah
Born or Bred? Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality is Genetic
42 posted on 12/13/2004 10:29:58 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BTTT!


43 posted on 12/13/2004 10:30:57 AM PST by wagglebee (Memo to sKerry: the only thing Bush F'ed up was your career)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Very interesting. Apparently, people do what they want to do - for their own reasons.


44 posted on 12/13/2004 10:31:32 AM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: metacognative
That's why Gay marriage is really a joke, at least for men. The lesbian thing is another story, nothing having to do with genes. As the old joke goes:,

"What does a gay guy bring on a second date?
a) Another guy.

"What does a lesbian bring on a second date?"
a) A moving van.

45 posted on 12/13/2004 10:31:36 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Travis McGee

There was an interesting article last week about the possibility that babies may be born gay due to stresses on the fetus effecting brain chemistry prior to birth.


46 posted on 12/13/2004 10:32:45 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

And of course, the homosexual lobby only promotes mandatory gay awareness programs in public schools to promote tolerance. Nothing to do with indoctrination and recruitment, naaah, you have to be born gay, we can't push anyone in that direction. Such BS.


47 posted on 12/13/2004 10:33:08 AM PST by Big Digger (If you can keep your head when others are losing theirs, you must be a Republican)
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To: Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...

Quite rightly stated.

Actually the very word "homosexual" was coined by a - well, they used to be called "sodomites" and "pederasts", merely words describing their activities - a "sodomite" who wanted a word that would create a sense of special community among fellow sodomy specialists.

It's a word just like "gay".


48 posted on 12/13/2004 10:33:50 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: Hatteras

I use to work for a privately owned company in Palm Springs Ca in the mid 90's the owner bought a Gay Man's Optional Clothing HOtel where he stuck me in oine of the hotel offices..I worked there for 6 months and could not take it any longer, The sexual aggressiveness of these Queer men was unbelievable! they walked up to anybody standing around and asked them to do the wild thing before they even new there name and BAM! they were off...

I was suprised one day they had Asian Days and groups of Japenese men were in Gay Heaven..

Gay Hotels are just little Soddom and Gommorahs...


49 posted on 12/13/2004 10:34:11 AM PST by missyme
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
An excerpt from "Paglia: The energy mess and fascist gays"

"... Which brings us to another subject, the furor this past month over a report by psychiatrist Robert Spitzer of Columbia University that, from his rather cursory interviews with 153 men and 47 women, the "reparative therapy" endorsed by conservative Protestant groups can in some cases change sexual orientation from gay to straight. That Spitzer had helped to persuade the American Psychiatric Association to drop the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in 1973 makes his current study harder to dismiss.

Nevertheless, screeching gay activists immediately descended on the media to denounce and defame Spitzer as a tool of the far right. This was a good example of the fascist policing of public discourse in this country by nominal liberals who have become as unthinkingly wedded to dogma as any junior member of the Spanish Inquisition. Why should the fluidity of sexual orientation threaten any gay secure in his or her identity?

What gay ideologues, inflated like pink balloons with poststructuralist hot air, can't admit, of course, is that heterosexuality is nature's norm, enforced by powerful hormonal cues at puberty. In the past decade, one shoddy book after another, rapturously applauded by p.c. reviewers, has exaggerated the incidence of homosexuality in the animal world and, without due regard for reproductive adaptations caused by environmental changes, toxins or population pressure, reductively interpreted bonding or hierarchical behavior as gay in the human sense.

Because of the unblushing dishonesty of strident activists and campus "queer theorists," whose general knowledge of science would fit into Marie Antoinette's thimble, we are ironically further from understanding homosexuality than we were in 1970, when popular culture was moving into the seductive gender-bending era typified by the brilliant David Bowie. With the emphasis on external "politics," all respect for psychology has been lost. Did no one notice the grotesquely misogynous dialogue put into gay men's mouths on "Queer as Folk"? That kind of catty aversion to the female body is learned, not inborn, and it can be partly traced to early family relations, before personal memory has even gelled.

My political philosophy as a libertarian says that government has no business intervening in any consensual private behavior. My professional ethic as a thinker and writer, however, says that self-knowledge is our ultimate responsibility. In vicious attacks like the one on Spitzer, gay activists, with all their good intentions, are aligning themselves with the forces of ignorance and repression. Too little reliable work is currently being done in homosexuality because free inquiry cannot be conducted in a politicized atmosphere of harassment and intimidation..."


50 posted on 12/13/2004 10:36:45 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: missyme

Oh my, bet you saw more than you'd ever want to see. Oy.


51 posted on 12/13/2004 10:36:50 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: demoRat watcher
They look good and are for the most part healthy because homosexuals are not recruiting those whom they do not find attractive.

Maybe... but how does that explain Bawney Fwank?


52 posted on 12/13/2004 10:39:43 AM PST by Denver Ditdat (Ronald Reagan belongs to the ages now, but we preferred it when he belonged to us.)
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To: little jeremiah

Exactly - and by using the word 'gay', it means falling right into the lobbyists trap of first changing the language to 1. mean something than it originally meant and 2. the creation of a term which looks like it has some type of group status associated with it and therefore legitimacy.

It's for this reason that I absolutely refuse to use the word 'gay' - at least in any kind of sexuality context.


53 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:16 AM PST by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: Hildy

I left after Easter when I witnessed the Egg Hunt and how they hunted for the eggs, by where they put the eggs!

Guess they thought they were Chickens!


54 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:34 AM PST by missyme
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To: lormand

I miss the point.


55 posted on 12/13/2004 10:40:53 AM PST by Protagoras (Christmas is not a secular holiday)
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To: missyme

LOL...It's mind boggling, isn't it?


57 posted on 12/13/2004 10:41:51 AM PST by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Semper Paratus

Reading comprehension ain't your long suit, I see.


58 posted on 12/13/2004 10:42:41 AM PST by Old Professer (The accidental trumps the purposeful in every endeavor attended by the incompetent.)
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To: WildTurkey

I believe that a girl born after a older brother has a higher chance of being a tom boy because of the antibodies left in the mother's body. The same thing might affect men born after an older sister. But I think a lot of homosexuality is born of lack of success with the opposite sex and a familiarity with the same sex. Clearly more is involved including earlier experiences. I go with the continuum thing, everyone is on a line from hetero to homo and where you are sometimes gives one side or the other a chance to pull you in. Not genetic, but nevertheless inherent.

This does not mean I want homosexuality to be normalized, on the contrary, I would like to see it totally underground and given as many chances to disappear as possible.


59 posted on 12/13/2004 10:43:02 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Protagoras

I believe Ann Heche used to be Ellen DeGeneres' "girlfriend," but then married a man.

So she seems to have changed her mind . . .


60 posted on 12/13/2004 10:43:12 AM PST by cvq3842
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