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Taiwan's Pro-Independence Parties Defeated
Sacramento Bee ^ | December 11, 2004 | William Foreman

Posted on 12/11/2004 2:47:14 PM PST by nosofar

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To: Massachusetts

I had to come back to this comment: "The Pacific vets are understandibly angry at the Japanese, but I think that anger is matched by ETO veterans once you bring the death camps issue up."

I don't think the ETO soldiers love the Nazis, but they don't viscerally hate Germans the way many Pacific vets and many Americans of that era hate the Japanese. The Germans weren't suicidal. They didn't sneak attack us. They didn't uniformly mistreat their prisoners. They didn't demand an apology for us bombing their country.

I agree that right now Japan is not a threat. But that is not to say that the same industrialists that were so gung-ho behind the war ever left power--we never cleaned that gang out. Should have been a lot of swinging going on, just like the Krupps should have danced on a rope, but we decided otherwise, foolishly, I think.

After viewing the Yasukuni shrine 'explanations' of the Rape of Nanking and Pearl Harbor, I wouldn't give Japan any more than they need to defend themselves, and nukes are way down on the list of things they NEED. They have a very high-tech defense force already. Let's help them defend themselves, but we must make sure the cultural superiority that remains ingrained doesn't sprout wings again militarily. And if you doubt that it is a culturally ingrained superiority, look how the country's people still treat Ainu, Koreans, and any non-pure-blood Japanese. It may be better than it was, but most of the country would still freak about a "Look Who's Coming To Dinner" situation.


61 posted on 12/12/2004 5:43:25 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (NO BLOOD FOR CHOCOLATE! Get the UN-ignoring, unilateralist Frogs out of Ivory Coast!)
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To: wagglebee
They have obviously realized that capitalism is far superior to communism,

Just the opposite. You said yourself it's a Commie government, AND the economic power of the world - both. Give the 'greedy capitalists' the rope, and the Commie will hang them. I think it's an old Commie promise, er . . saying.

If they can't get a puppet government in Taiwan to voluntarily surrender sovereignty, they'll attack at some point. They'll go in, just like Saddam in Kuwait.

It's not like Taiwan gets any support from the UN (which has gotta go), or even the international Oly committee - with their pagan-tree ceremonies.

62 posted on 12/12/2004 9:52:55 PM PST by sevry
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To: sevry
If they can't get a puppet government in Taiwan to voluntarily surrender sovereignty, they'll attack at some point. They'll go in, just like Saddam in Kuwait.

It is sad that so much of the world disavow's Taiwan's right to exist. If the PRC's attack is inevitable than the US should stop it and before the PRC modernizes enough to take on the US directly.
63 posted on 12/13/2004 1:13:51 AM PST by Paul_Denton
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To: LibertarianInExile

I just doubt that any Japanese PM or Diet leader would cripple his own political career in calling for rearmament.

To MacArthur's great credit, he did fundamentally reshape Japanese society and economy for the better, by getting rid of most(not all) of the industralist/militarists types after WWII.

Japan may be more of a problem in 2030, but I see China as more of a 2010 threat.

"It may be better than it was, but most of the country would still freak about a "Look Who's Coming To Dinner" situation."

Unfortunately, I think you could still see that in this country as well.


64 posted on 12/13/2004 11:48:25 AM PST by Massachusetts
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To: Massachusetts

> The country is being held together only by massive American
> investments in their economy and in exports. If we declared
> a boycott tomorrow of all PRC products, the country would
> collapse economically in 90 days.

Wow, if thats true, then, wow...


65 posted on 12/13/2004 2:35:38 PM PST by Brian328i
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To: Paul_Denton
the PRC modernizes enough to take on the US directly.

That's what is inevitable. They will. Remember the Korean War. 40-50 years ago the Chicoms were considered so threatening that the US/UN literally stopped fighting a war out of fear - fear, the US was afraid of the 'yellow peril', of the numbers, and the nukes. That was half a century ago.

66 posted on 12/13/2004 6:15:43 PM PST by sevry
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To: sevry

But not before the US kicked their @$$es back to the 38th Parellel. Its too bad MacCarthy could not do what he wanted to do to red China.


67 posted on 12/13/2004 6:31:58 PM PST by Paul_Denton
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To: Unam Sanctam

sanmin chuyi neng t'ongyi chungkuo


68 posted on 12/14/2004 8:06:52 AM PST by CDB
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