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Living Under Fascism
Universalists Unitarian Association ^ | 7 November 2004 | Davidson Loehr

Posted on 12/10/2004 6:53:35 PM PST by TWohlford

...the style of governing into which America has slid is most accurately described as fascism, and that the necessary implications of this fact are rightly regarded as terrifying.

...it is not hard to predict where a new fascist uprising will lead. ...The actions of fascists and the social and political effects of fascism and fundamentalism are clear and sobering. Here is some of what’s coming, what will be happening in our country in the next few years:

* The theft of all social security funds, to be transferred to those who control money....

* Rising numbers of uninsured people in this country...

* Increased loss of funding for public education combined with increased support for vouchers...

* More restrictions on civil liberties as America is turned into the police state necessary for fascism to work

* Withdrawal of virtually all funding for National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System.

* The reinstatement of a draft,

* More imperialistic invasions: of Iran and others...

* More restrictions on speech...

* Control of the internet...

* Efforts to remove the tax-exempt status of churches...

* Tighter control of the editorial bias of almost all media...

* Continued outsourcing of jobs...

* Moves in the banking industry to make it impossible for an increasing number of Americans to own their homes.

* Criminalization of those who protest, as un-American, with arrests, detentions and harassment increasing.

* ...it will be illegal or at least dangerous to say the things I have said here this morning.

(Excerpt) Read more at uua.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: clueless; fascism; religion
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To: TWohlford

unitarians are socialists?


21 posted on 12/10/2004 7:11:17 PM PST by Sam Cree (We still pray......that there's beer in the fridge)
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To: Cornpone
"Withdrawal of...all funding for National Public Radio ..." ____________________ I vote for that!

Yes but how how dismantling this propaganda dispensary is fascism? ;-)

22 posted on 12/10/2004 7:13:50 PM PST by tsomer
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To: TWohlford
I love how the idiotic author refers to his previous "sermon" titled "The Corporation Will Eat Your Soul” and cites secularhumanism.org in outlining 14 characteristics of fascism. Most of which are easily rebutted as not applicable to current events and in a number of instances can be more directly correlated to liberal/leftist positions. Under the last section of this "sermon" this apostate writes, "Liberals will have to construct a more complete vision with moral and religious grounding. That does not mean confessional Christianity. It means the legitimate heir to Christianity. Such a legitimate heir need not be a religion, though it must have clear moral power, and be able to attract the minds and hearts of a voting majority of Americans."

He continues, "I’m not a political activist; I’m only a preacher."

To which I say, No you are not. You only play one on Sundays.
23 posted on 12/10/2004 7:14:58 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: TWohlford
This dumbshit doesn't even know what fascism is.
24 posted on 12/10/2004 7:16:08 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("BZZZZZT You are fined one credit for violation of the Verbal Morality Statute")
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To: TWohlford
For one thing universal Public schooling is required in Fascist systems and Communist systenms inorder to inculcate the "values" of the system in the youth.

Government radio and TV is the only kind permitted.

A fascist government does NOT "outsource" jobs because that is relinquishing control.

It is the leftists and Unitarian types who are making it dangerous to say many things. They are more advanced in that regard in Canada right now but they have hopes for America.

It is people like the writer of this fantasy who are determined to eliminate privately owned housing by locking us all up in "New Cities" and socializing all the land for Ecology parks into which the commoners are not permitted to entry.

The core of this is that fascism is anythign the writer doesn't care for.

25 posted on 12/10/2004 7:23:46 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Unam Sanctam
breach of the separation of church and state for a religious leader to speak out on political issues

Can you really say that a Unitarian is any sort of Religious Leader?

26 posted on 12/10/2004 7:24:56 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Indeed. The Left knows that of all negative buzz-words, "fascist" and "Nazi" are the most powerful. Therefore they call their political opponents fascists and Nazis.

However, people are really getting tired of hearing the word Nazi thrown around to describe anyone and everyone, so they are defaulting to "fascist."

The Left has been making great efforts to re-define fascism as "corporatism," whatever the hell that means in the festering brain of the Leftist. Really to them it means "Anything I don't like."


27 posted on 12/10/2004 7:25:45 PM PST by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
"I’m not a political activist; I’m only a preacher."

That is ridiculous on the face of it. "Preacher" connotes one who orates for the purpose of religious instruction. How can a Unitarian/Universalist fit that frame?

28 posted on 12/10/2004 7:29:41 PM PST by ThanhPhero ( Nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Pete98

Since the election, I've been called (by virtue of claiming to be a conservative Republican) an Nazi, a sexist, an imperialist, a fascist, an idiot, and the embodiment of evil... and that's just by the local newspaper's letters to the editor!

If the Left truely cared about their causes then they'd try to build bridges to those on the Right who share their concerns. However, most activists seem to be more concerned with being activists with a Messiah complex.


29 posted on 12/10/2004 7:32:46 PM PST by TWohlford
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To: zahal724

How do you know you've pissed off the Unitarian Universalists?

They burn a question mark in your yard.

}:-)4


30 posted on 12/10/2004 7:35:36 PM PST by Moose4 ("Frrrrrrrrrp." --Livingston the Viking Kitty)
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To: TWohlford

Unitarian Universalists for Polyamory Awareness (That's multiple sex partners, for those of you in Rio Linda!)

Welcome to Our Home Page! http://www.uupa.org/

This is our web page to introduce ourselves to the world. If you've seen our ad in the Unitarian Universalist UUWorld magazine, found the UUPoly e-mail list, encountered one of our brochures, or found out about us some other way, this web site is a good place to learn some more. We are an independent "Related Organization" and as such are not a member of the Unitarian Universalist Association, or approved by the UUA Board of Trustees.
Who we are.

UUPA is an organization which is in its early stages of growth. Over the past few years, we became increasingly aware that a lot of people who think of themselves as polyamorous also identify themselves religiously as Unitarian Universalists. Some of us then created an e-mail list called UUPoly, for people who were both poly and UU and those who are interested in both. Out of our conversations on the UUPoly list came the idea that we should form a national organization of poly UUs to promote awareness and acceptance of polyamory within the Unitarian Universalist denomination, and introduce polyamorus people to the UU church.
A bunch of us (about 20) got together at the Unitarian Universalist Association's General Assembly in Nashville in June, 2000. There we agreed to move forward in the formation of UUPA.

What we've done so far.

At the 2000 General Assembly (GA) in Nashville, we approved draft by-laws and selected an Organizing Committee (OC). During the following year, the OC wrote a UUPA Mission Statement and got UUPA legally established as a non-profit corporation in Washington State. That opened the door for our first official membership meeting in June, 2001 at GA in Cleveland, at which we ratified the by-laws and elected our Board of Directors. At its first meeting the Board set several goals for the coming years. One of the biggest is to build membership. We'd ultimately like to have at least a few hundred members nationwide. Another major goal was to have at least one presentation on polyamory and UUism on the schedule of the 2002 GA in Quebec, which we accomplished. We have been accepted as a "Related Organization" of the UUA. We have applied for 501(c)3 status with the IRS.
We had two more presentations at the 2003 GA in Boston and the 2004 GA in Long Beach. This link will take you to the text of the 2003 presentation. Click here to buy at tape of our 2004 GA workshop (#3053). In addition, there was a session on polyamory for ministers before the 2004 GA. We have provided information to the Family Matters Task Force, as well.


We've also been doing some outreach. We've been running the ad in the UUWorld magazine, have placed it in other publications, and have produced three informational brochures. We've received inquiries from several UU ministers and offered them some information and guidance about polyamory. We have sent informational materials to the UUA Board and other UUA officials. Some of us have given sermons or other presentations about polyamory at our local churches, and some of us have started local support and/or discussion groups for poly UUs. We have conferred with the Board of Interweave (the UU Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender organization) and have received statement of support from them. Members of our board have been speakers at Loving More conferences, the New York Poly Pride celebration, the Building Bridges Conference of the Institute for 21st Century Relationships, the Lifestyles Convention, Pantheacon, and at UU district meetings.

Our vision is for Unitarian Universalism to become the first poly-welcoming mainstream religious denomination. A comparison of UUPA and UUA principles has been prepared and is valuable for ministers, district officials and individuals attempting to integrate various relationship issues into their spiritual path.


31 posted on 12/10/2004 7:43:44 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Democrat Obstructionists will be Daschled!)
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To: TWohlford

Hate to break it to y'all, but half of the site was already ranting about this one about four hours ago.

Funny to think that this guy probably has tax-exempt status, isn't it?

I can't say I'm a real fan of Unitarians in general...seems to me they're a Church that sort of calls itself christian but refuses to believe.

This dude needs to get out of the tin foil and get a real job. By the way, calling America "Imperialist" is a throwback to 1960s Soviet Rhetoric.

Prior to the 1960s, fascism was frequently defined as a political ideology on the far left, basically just a baby-step from Communism. Curiously, the classification has now changed. You can't blame the libs, though. I have often how tortured a soul I would have if I were in agreement with a broader ideology, socialism, that was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of innocent people. Perhaps it is their screams that drives them all so mad. I don't know, but people like that dude is why I always prepare for the worst in people.


32 posted on 12/10/2004 7:55:01 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("A Red-State Cowboy and proud of it.")
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To: Prime Choice
The Unitarian-Universalists are the most liberal, opportunistic pick-and-choose religious doctrines...

Ah, yes. The cafeteria plan of religions.

33 posted on 12/10/2004 8:01:41 PM PST by Ranxerox
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To: TWohlford
"Increased loss of funding for public education combined with increased support for vouchers..."

BAAAAWWWWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....do they think we're THAT STOOPID? I am so TIIIREEDDD of hearing how schools "lose" funding.....what a crock.

34 posted on 12/10/2004 8:03:56 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tax cuts, Tax reform, social security reform, Supreme Court, etc.....the next 4 years.....)
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To: TWohlford
"Moves in the banking industry to make it impossible for an increasing number of Americans to own their homes."

Shows what an idiot the author is...
Lets see...bankers are CAPITALISTS!
They WANT to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
One of their biggest sources of income is MORTGAGE LENDING
That is, the lending
(Read: Usury, if you are a class warfare leftist)
the lending of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to prospective homeowners in order to make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
In order to collect the INTEREST!
Thats money collected as a 'lending fee' in addition to the 'capital'
In other words, you idiots, thats money charged from customers to whom the bank has loaned $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thats called PROFIT. Its the basis of all business conducted in the world in general...
and banking in particular!
35 posted on 12/10/2004 8:06:47 PM PST by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
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To: SteveMcKing

The fact is, the LIBERALS are the ones who have traditionally expanded the power of Government to the point that it has become dangerous.

LIBERALS that this individual loves so much want God removed from EVERY vestige of society and Government.

These same LIBERALS want welfare to continue forever.

These same LIBERALS want to continue the "New [Raw] Deal" of Social Security which is actually bankrupting this country and they fight against and oppose free markets and capitalism.

You know, reading through that peice, and knowing what I know about Marxist and Gramscian Communism, I wonder where this nutcase came from. He's spouting the red party line of Communist China and Communist North Korea as if they wrote it for him...

See the ANTI-DNC Web Portal at --->
http://www.noDNC.com


36 posted on 12/10/2004 8:08:11 PM PST by woodb01 (See the ANTI-DNC Web Portal at ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: TWohlford
Liberals will have to construct a more complete vision with moral and religious grounding. That does not mean confessional Christianity. It means the legitimate heir to Christianity. Such a legitimate heir need not be a religion, though it must have clear moral power, and be able to attract the minds and hearts of a voting majority of Americans.

A statement like this shows just how wacked out these people are. The Rev. Diddly-Squat here is all set to launch "the legitmate heir to Christianity." Sounds like a man with a plan although, like another man we all know who had a plan, he's way short on specifics. He's got the "vision thing" down, though, and I'm sure that's all it'll take for this wiener and the band of old burnouts that probably make up his congregation to make the world right again.

I wanted to write more about this, but my wife just told me that Il Duce is on the phone.

37 posted on 12/10/2004 9:06:05 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Hurl the invective!)
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To: TWohlford

The Leftist morons wouldn't know fascism from Teddy Kennedy's box-like head.


38 posted on 12/11/2004 12:31:03 AM PST by Reactionary
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