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US Army plagued by desertion and plunging morale (Mega B-A-R-F Alert!)
timesonline.co.uk ^ | Elaine Monaghan

Posted on 12/10/2004 2:53:30 PM PST by Trippin

WHILE insurgents draw on deep wells of fury to expand their ranks in Iraq, the US military is fighting desertion, recruitment shortfalls and legal challenges from its own troops.

The irritation among the rank and file became all too clear this week when a soldier stood up in a televised session with Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, to ask why the world’s richest army was having to hunt for scrap metal to protect its vehicles.

The same night, interviews with three soldiers who are seeking refugee status in Canada, where they have become minor celebrities, dominated prime time television. They are among more the than 5,000 troops that CBS’s 60 Minutes reported on Wednesday had deserted since the war began.

Many experts say that America’s 1.4 million active-duty troops and 865,000 part-timers are stretched to the point where President Bush may see other foreign policy goals blunted.

The bleed from the US military is heaviest among parttimers, who have been dragged en masse out of civilian life to serve their country with unprecedented sacrifice. For the first time in a decade, the Army National Guard missed its recruitment target this year. Instead of signing up 56,000 people, it found 51,000.

“This is something that the President and the country should be worried about,” said Lawrence Korb, an assistant secretary of defence under Ronald Reagan and now a military analyst who opposes the war.

A further sign of strain can be seen in the Army’s decision this year to mobilise 5,600 members of a pool of former soldiers that can be mobilised only in a national emergency.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deserter; iraq; morale
What astonishes me about this idiotic "article" is how this moron tries to paint a picture of an army on the verge of collapse based on some desertions, and a question from a soldier to Donald Rumsfeld. Even the 5000 figure she quotes is highly debateable (National Guard troops not receiving orders, miscommunication, people who are dead, etc.). Even so, out of 1.4 Million people, 5000 is hardly an army in revolt.

Read the whole thing. You won't believe the assanine conclusions being jumped to here. This is the type of stupid crap you'll find on DU. The fact that someone actualy paid this woman for this retarded drivel makes me angry. You simply cannot expect a military the size if the US's to be 100% perfect. It's completely irrational.

1 posted on 12/10/2004 2:53:31 PM PST by Trippin
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I wonder how many discontented soldiers there were during WWII as they sloughed through Europe for 4 years.

My husband was a soldier in Japan in '64. They were all discontented and not even fighting a war.
Another phony story.


2 posted on 12/10/2004 2:59:13 PM PST by georgia peach
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Well, it starts out saying we are fighting a growing insurgency.

I stopped reading right there, because we are fighting terrorists! and not friggin patriots or insurgents.

These scum are killing their own citizens at will.

It does not even fit a rational description of a insurgency.

As far as the military, the morale has never been better and recruiting number has fallen off in the reserve components because active duty people are not now rotating out to join the reserve as scheduled.

This crap is really irritating.

3 posted on 12/10/2004 3:00:50 PM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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What most people forget is, is the US military is made up of citizens. Citizens from all walks of life, of all shapes, colors, sizes, races, etc. They are the guy and gal next door, across the street, in the next town. They are not super charged up machines. The military draws from the general population. Just like civilian life, the military feels the same pains and problem as the rest of the country. You have bad employees, lazy employees, alcoholics, druggies, thieves, sex offenders, loud mouths, malcontents in civilian life, and you have them in the military. That is because they come from the civilian sector into the military. Just coming in does not necessarily mean they will clean up their acts. Some do. Some don't. The United States Army Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas (the Army prison), is full of these types. Courts-martialed for all kinds of offenses committed. From sex crimes, to theft, to murder, on death row. The military has the same problems as the rest of American society. Problem is, when a GI commits a rape, it is big news: FORT BRAGG SOLDIER RAPES WOMAN IN PARKING LOT!!!!, but it is page 27 if Joe Blow the civilian commits the crime.
4 posted on 12/10/2004 3:01:32 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The fight is not over! Continue to defend freedom from the Socialist Democrats!)
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I can't be bothered to read the whole thing unless they published the names and adresses of every single one of the 5,000 so-called deserters. Did they?
5 posted on 12/10/2004 3:02:24 PM PST by Mukor
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There has been reports of guys who lost an arm, or an eye ready to go back and fight along side their friends in Iraq.


6 posted on 12/10/2004 3:04:03 PM PST by conservlib
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""... because we are fighting terrorists! and not friggin patriots or insurgents.

These scum are killing their own citizens at will."

Exactly!

7 posted on 12/10/2004 3:15:03 PM PST by Radix (This Tag Line is completely self referential, except for the part where you are mentioned.)
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I wonder if anyone currently in the military with access to the correct figures, could answer this question: We see anecdotal evidence of "desertion", a couple of soldiers skipping off to Canada and asking for asylum, some well publicized cases of reservists resisting call-up to active status, and "Stop Loss" preventing active duty soldiers from being discharged to civilian life. How do the actual number of aforementioned cases compare to the number of active duty men and women soldiers, officers, sailors, marines, and airmen that have "re-upped" for another tour in Iraq in defense of the US? I honestly would like to know. I think this statistic might be quite enlightening.
8 posted on 12/10/2004 3:19:04 PM PST by Richard Axtell (We should be proud, we made the right choice! God Bless George W. Bush!)
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I read yesterday this is the fifth year in a row the Army has surpassed their recruiting goals.

5,000 deserters????? I absolutely don't believe that for a minute.
Here are the WWII deserter's statistics:
As of 31 Dec 1941, the Army's strength was 1,686,403. From 1942
through 1945, Army accessions of enlisted men, warrant officers and
commissioned officers totaled 9,468,311. Of these 11 million plus
men, 21,000 were apprehended and convicted of desertion. Rate: 0.22%


9 posted on 12/10/2004 3:24:37 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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Lying Liars and the Lies They Tell....


10 posted on 12/10/2004 3:30:41 PM PST by prairiebreeze (It's my right to publically celebrate Christmas and state my faith in Christ. At least for now.....)
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I was thinking about this 5000 number myself. I have seen some extreme America haters even quote this number slightly higher at 5,500. Where do they draw this data from?

I wish these media outlets would be made accountable for what they report.


11 posted on 12/11/2004 3:39:14 PM PST by Mixer
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The number of annual military desertions is down to the lowest level since before 2001, according to the Pentagon.

The Army said the number of new deserters in 2004 — 2,376 — was just half the number of those who deserted prior to Sept. 11, 2001. That number was 4,597.

The numbers of deserters has dropped annually since the Sept. 11 attacks on New York and Washington. The fiscal year 2004 total number of Army deserters is the lowest since before 1998, according to Army data.

Cumulatively, more than 6,000 service members from all branches have deserted the military since fiscal year 2003, when the war with Iraq began. About 3,500 military service members have deserted their jobs in the last 14 months.

"On average the number of soldiers, for example, who are classified as deserters is less than 1 percent, and the vast majority have committed some criminal act," said Pentagon spokesman Army Lt. Col. Joe Richard. "It's (generally) not for political or conscientious objector purposes. Any insinuation that large numbers of military service members have deserted in opposition to the war in Iraq when in fact desertion numbers for the Army are down since 9/11 is incredibly disingenuous."

Military desertion rates down since 2001

As usual, the British press doesn't let the facts interfere with writing a story.

12 posted on 12/17/2004 1:32:41 PM PST by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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