Humvee is a jeep replacement.......how many jeeps have been armored up over the past wars ? Zip, nada , none ! Our gun jeeps (M151's) had a pedistal mounted M60 and a passenger mounted M60. Now one can say oh yeah well we road into battle on horseback back when but that doesn't make the issue of not enough hardened humvess any better....I agree....but !
We're trying to replace tactics with a false sense of security IMO. Polidiots need to let our folks engage and eliminate the threat vs existing in a hardened facility or vehicle among the threat.
A hardened humvee will not stop an IED or even the old PG-2 series of RPG's much less the PG7 series and it's improvements over the years. We're attempting to run a gauntlet on a daily basis . Destroy the gauntlet. If troops are attacked every day on a standard resupply route then counter ambush ops need to be increased along with snipers moved into the areas to eliminate those planting IED's or civilians moving with any weapon other than a handgun for personal protection.
I am and will always be of the opinion that any modern military conflict should be over in less that 96 hours. We need to kick ass, break all the infastructure or power, water, communications and sewage. Blow the bridges, airfields and ports then leave. Walk away at that point. Let other communist/terrorist /socialist regimes clean up their own mess.
If they attack America or Americans again we'll be back and will whack em again and again and not play nation building for years at great cost to americans over a decade or so.
America payed a dear price on 9-11 and doesn't need to keep paying. Make our enemies pay......until we get medevil on them and theirs we subject ourselves to such long term misery and loss of our loved ones. Thats my rant on the matter, right or wrong it's just my opinion.
Stay safe !
We're attempting to run a gauntlet on a daily basis . Destroy the gauntlet.
Squantos
I have been here a long time. Truer words have never been typed into this forum.
Yup.
"Humvee is a jeep replacement.......how many jeeps have been armored up over the past wars ? Zip, nada , none ! "
Bingo!
The intent of the HUMVEE is that of a UTILITY vehicle - that's what the U in HUMVEE stands for. IT was never designed as a "first contact" combat vehicle.
Prior to this go in the desert, the preponderance of armored HUMVEEs were for Militery police (I think that CAV Scouts MAY have had them also, but not sure about that) use only - hardtop, fastback models - fully armored. The remainder were of the utility pickup truck, command vehicle, or medic "cracker box" configuration.
The intent here with this conflict was to "get in, get out, get gone". We now, however, have been drawn into that which we really did not intend upon - that of an occupying force in the midst of an insurgency.
Rummy should just 'fess-up" and say so, instead of blaming industry for operating "At capacity" which as noted above, is a load of crap.