Posted on 12/09/2004 5:38:16 PM PST by SussexCountyDE
Legally, and by birth yes. She is oriented "Bi," but not adverse to taking matters into her own hands.
(Hence the "Great North East Blackout")
Wisconsin and Minnesota will be critical to the republicans in 2008. take Kerry's 252 EVs, put Richardson on the ticket, Hillary/Richardson will make a play for AZ, NM, NV and CO - 3 of 4 of those get them the 19 they need to win. Our side needs to take MN or WISC to thwart that.
Hillary can't get elected President because the married women of America think she is sleeping with a rapist.
I'd write in The Lump.
MN Gov. Pawlenty could take both MN and WI. Game over.
The Lump??
yes, but he also has to take Florida and Ohio. I'm not saying he can't, I just don't know enough about him. But for sure, MN and WI are key in 2008. Because with Richardson on the ticket, we are going to do worse in the southwest.
I was a bit on the deliberately provocative side to draw response, though I do believe what I typed.
I've been waiting for MI to come to its senses for a long time. The reappearance of Reagan Democrats was promised twice in a row and didn't happen. So MI, the home of the auto biz, supported Mr. "Earth in the Balance" by a stunning margin, and then supported Mr. Traitor, admittedly by less. I have a hard time imagining anyone who voted for those two NOT voting for Hillary.
The other two best chances for a turnaround for the GOP would be MN and WI. I know they were close this time, but again, what person who voted for Gore or Kerry won't vote for her?
I'm also deathly afraid that the nutbar portion fo the 50% of the population that doesn't vote will come out in droves in 2008 to vote for her. At the same time I think Karl Rove got as much of the GOP base out as anyone ever will.
Throw in the normal smattering of Democrat vote fraud, illegal alien voting, and the like....I must stop.
I agree. I think Pawlenty would definitely take MN, IA, and WI and probably take OH and PA, negating FL. An alternate strategy is nominating Rudy, who would definitely taking PA and MI and probably keep FL. Two very different candidates who'd both play well in the electoral rich north, for different reasons. Of course, Rudy is a very divisive issue around Republican blogs these days.
I'm bookmarking this for a good laugh in 4 years...
As a MI native, I can attest with at least some sense of certainty that states like MI and PA voted for Gore and Kerry in spite of their liberalism, not because of it. Gore was basically seen as a continuation of Clinton's centrism and the economic boom. At the time, we didn't realize how liberal Gore really was. Kerry was largely an anti-Bush vote. Reagan Democrats can be very Pat Buchanan-like on the war. They don't like Iraq and were mad at Bush for taking us there. Also, they were upset about the recession. Without any Bush baggage, the GOP should do better up there next time. And Hillary is widely known as a NY liberal, not a supposed moderate like her husband.
Rudy would take NY and NJ. If you look at the NY map, any Dem who wins has to have a large margin in 4 of the NYC counties. These are the counties that elected Rudy mayor. and NJ is full of NYers.
That said, a candidate like Rudy would be at risk in states like Missouri and Iowa for example. But still, I don't see how any Dem can make up the difference losing NY and NJ with other states.
But he probably cannot get the nomination.
Rudy would need a strong social conservative to balance the ticket, kind of like when Bush I picked Quayle.
Your prediction that FR will be here in 4 years will prove more correct than most of our predictions concerning 2008 elections.
I don't think either Hitlary or Rice would make good candidates.
Rudy/Jeb Bush?
Re: Hillary "utterly unelectable" and Condi won't run
so it's moot.
You're wrong on the first point, but right on the second.
the basic dynamics of the 2008 race, for the Dems, are set. barring some very strange events, its in the bag, Hillary/Richardson 2008.
Continuing the dynasty, lol. Electorally, it makes the most sense of any.
Does everyone think that ALL the Dems are just going to roll over because Hillary wants the job? Kerry, too? Edwards? Somebody is going to connect the dots about the problem with the party and it's not just a matter of packaging. Furthermore, there are a million feet of film showing Hillary being the egomaniacal, liberal, gay-loving, socialist micro-managing witch she really is. Think they can all be destroyed in just four years?
Alot can happen in four years.
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