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Revealed After 63 Years: the Truth Behind Pearl Harbor
The Scotsman ^ | December 9, 2004 | Julian Ryall

Posted on 12/08/2004 10:30:04 PM PST by quidnunc

Tokyo – Franklin D Roosevelt famously declared that Japan’s devastating surprise attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 would "live in infamy" as he took the United States to war.

In his address to Congress, the US president raged that he was "still in conversation" with Japan in an effort to maintain the peace in the Pacific when torpedo planes and dive bombers wreaked havoc on the warships at anchor and killed more than 2,000 people on 7 December, 1941.

For years, the blame for what President Roosevelt described as an "unprovoked and dastardly attack" and an act of "treachery" was put on Japanese diplomats in Washington, who had allegedly failed to pass on a message breaking off peace talks until 40 minutes after the attack.

But now the son of one of the shamed diplomats has used newly released documents to prove his theory that the Japanese military was responsible for delaying the "final memorandum" to the US.

Takeo Iguchi, a professor of international relations and a former Japanese ambassador to Bangladesh and New Zealand, spent 12 years combing the foreign ministry’s archives in an effort to clear the name of his father, Sado, who was working at the Japanese embassy in Washington at the time.

Documents released by Japan’s foreign ministry in October reveal that it originally intended to submit a note to Washington that would qualify under international law as an "ultimatum", but that the Imperial Army opposed revealing its hand, instead ordering that the message should simply terminate negotiations.

When the "final memorandum" was cabled to the Japanese embassy in Washington, the military withheld the 14th and concluding paragraph for 15 hours.

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(Excerpt) Read more at news.scotsman.com ...


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To: supercat
RE: Yes, but did they have any idea what? Late Nov (27)

"Japan may attack: the Burma Road; Thailand; Malaya; the Netherlands East Indies; the Philippines; the Russian Maritime Provinces." Marshall-Stark memorandum
21 posted on 12/09/2004 12:08:53 AM PST by endthematrix ("Hey, it didn't hit a bone, Colonel. Do you think I can go back?" - U.S. Marine)
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To: konaice

It does not matter to us in the US. That is why I think it is a Japanese history issue. Did the diplomats screw up or did the Japanese Army.

As far as I am concerned and most American's I suspect, had we been given 30 minutes warning we would have view it as just as much a sneak attack. That much warning half way around the world in 1941 was meaningless.


22 posted on 12/09/2004 12:17:20 AM PST by JLS
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To: Peach
"Doesn't the movie Tora Bora make it clear that the message was withheld?"

I doubt if Tora Bora, Afghanistan played much of a part in the events of December 7th, 1941. The movie "Tora Tora Tora" may have conveyed such a message though.

23 posted on 12/09/2004 1:49:14 AM PST by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: quidnunc

Nice to see the honor of an innocent man restored. Doesn't much change anything else.


24 posted on 12/09/2004 2:01:21 AM PST by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: COEXERJ145
(in classic Japanese Muhammadan fashion)
25 posted on 12/09/2004 2:04:02 AM PST by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a death cult that must end. Save your time...)
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To: quidnunc

bttt


26 posted on 12/09/2004 2:06:59 AM PST by nopardons
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To: quidnunc

...."but that the Imperial Army opposed revealing its hand, instead ordering that the message should simply terminate negotiations"......and Bill Clinton apologized for dropping the atom bombs....Sorry Charlie, no sympathy here.


27 posted on 12/09/2004 2:11:49 AM PST by Route101
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To: Enterprise

LOL I'd like to see that movie.


28 posted on 12/09/2004 3:09:56 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah!!!)
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To: oyez

You...You...mean we can't.....blame America?


29 posted on 12/09/2004 3:11:31 AM PST by NetValue (Trust the cobra before you trust the liberal.)
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To: quidnunc

Later


30 posted on 12/09/2004 4:18:22 AM PST by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: Enterprise

LOL! Oops.


31 posted on 12/09/2004 6:22:15 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists and international criminals than they ever captured or killed)
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To: quidnunc
No biggie, we more than made up for Pearl Harbor:


32 posted on 12/09/2004 6:28:07 AM PST by ServesURight (Tim Michels for U.S. Senate Wisconsin)
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To: NetValue
You...You...mean we can't.....blame America?

After reading a couple of books that claimed other wise, I think the Japs actually cooked up the Pearl Harbor attack thing on their own. We didn't entrap them into doing it or did we send an invitation saying that on December 7, 1941, we aren't doing anything special and everything is going to be laid back so do what you got to do.

33 posted on 12/09/2004 7:22:23 AM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Peach

Just teasing. (=^..^=)


34 posted on 12/09/2004 7:42:44 AM PST by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: quidnunc
If this information is true then the Japanese ambassadors Nomura and Kurusu have gotten a bum rap.

They were officials of a country that attacked us without warning and without cause. Neither they, nor their children, nor any of their countrymen have any reason to exist. It is only through our (oft misguided) mercy that Japan exists at all.

35 posted on 12/09/2004 11:07:14 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: JLS
As far as I am concerned and most American's I suspect, had we been given 30 minutes warning we would have view it as just as much a sneak attack. That much warning half way around the world in 1941 was meaningless.

Even an hour, even two hours! Do you have any idea how long it takes to get Steam up in a steam powered ship? From cold boilers to movement was 45 minutes minimum. Only one major unit (Nevada) got underway in Midway, and that was because they had partial steam before the attack and a full boiler gang on board.

In that era, if your attack fleet had already left port by the time you delivered notice it was a sneak attack.

Nowdays, if anyone takes responsibility within a month after the fact, its considered normal.

36 posted on 12/09/2004 11:19:57 AM PST by konaice
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