The bill doesn't mean diddly squat. We already have laws on the book such as the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which aren't enforced. He11, if we'd enforce what we had there would never be a need for this!
thanks for the thread
A long read bump for the morning
Giving illegals a pass, gives terrorists the opportunity to take advantage of poor government enforcement policy and that puts American lives at risk.
This new bureaucratic behemoth, could become an albatross around the neck of law enforcement real quick.
Can you imagine how boring it must be to have to draft crap like this all day for a living? And I bet they worked their little butts off in grad school to get where they are!
Hell, stuff like the following is the very definition of a wasted life (and hence, my tagline springs forth):
SEC. 310. MODIFICATION OF AUTHORITIES RELATING TO NATIONAL COUNTERINTELLIGENCE EXECUTIVE. (a) Appointment of National Counterintelligence Executive.-- Subsection (a)(2) of section 902 of the Counterintelligence Enhancement Act of 2002 (title IX of Public Law 107-306; 116 Stat. 2432; 50 U.S.C. 402b) is amended by striking ``Director of Central Intelligence'' and inserting ``National Intelligence Director, and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency''. (b) Component of Office of National Intelligence Director.--Such section is further amended-- (1) by redesignating subsections (b) and (c) as subsections (c) and (d), respectively; and (2) by inserting after subsection (a) the following new subsection (b): ``(b) Component of Office of National Intelligence Director.--The National Counterintelligence Executive is a component of the Office of the National Intelligence Director under subtitle C of the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004.''. (c) Duties.--Subsection (d) of such section, as redesignated by subsection (a)(1) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph: ``(5) To perform such other duties as may be provided under section 131(b) of the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004.''. (d) Office of National Counterintelligence Executive.--Section 904 of the Counterintelligence Enhancement Act of 2002 (116 Stat. 2434; 50 U.S.C. 402c) is amended-- (1) by striking ``Office of the Director of Central Intelligence'' each place it appears in subsections (c) and (l)(1) and inserting ``Office of the National Intelligence Director''; (2) by striking ``Director of Central Intelligence'' each place it appears in subsections (e)(4), (e)(5), (h)(1), and (h)(2) and inserting ``National Intelligence Director''; and (3) in subsection (m), by striking ``Director of Central Intelligence'' and inserting ``National Intelligence Director, the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency''.
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GOOD FIND!
S.2845
Title: A bill to reform the intelligence community and the intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] (introduced 9/23/2004) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: H.RES.827, H.RES.870, H.R.10, H.R.5150, S.2840
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2004 Conference report agreed to in House. Status: On agreeing to the conference report Agreed to by recorded vote: 336 - 75 (Roll no. 544).
Latest Conference Report: 108-796
Note: House conferees appointed: Hoekstra, Dreier, Hyde, Hunter, Sensenbrenner, Harman, Menendez, Skelton. The Government Printing Office has published the text of S. 2845 as passed Senate (the PP - "Public Print" version) and as passed House (the EAH - "Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by House" version). See "Text of Legislation" below.
Bill Status (links to Cong. Record pages, votes)
Bill Status with Amendments Committees
Related House Committee Documents
Subjects (CRS Index Terms)
Cosponsors (10)
To me who has been part of the fed complex, this points out that its all about who controls funds.
You could have just noted this is a stack of words explaining how one may appear to do something while effectively doing nothing and using nothing as an excuse to do yet more nothing with regard to immigration for yet another fiscal quarter - presumabley so the buyers of representative strings can continue to profit from illegal activity. And that would be strings on both sides of the isle. No need for Corporate America to be choosey. Dems and Pubs are the three monkeys gaurding our economy from us while the world rapes it. Gee, that would kind of make them all pimps after a fashion, wouldn't it.
"Privacy and civil liberties officers"
On a serious note, I hope everyone here will keep an eye on the illegal immigration aspect of this. If the problem gets worse rather than better and the federal government still wants to push a mandatory national ID for honest hardworking United States citizens please become angry.
Rep. Sensenbrenner on FoxNews this morning was saying Lieberman and Collins were the two senators who wanted the 'drivers license restrictions for illegals' removed from the bill.
What are Lieberman and Collins getting from the illegals' lobbies?
IMO Sections 223, 224, and 225 are the real reason Congress wants this.
Neal Boortz put this into perspective for me...I think he nails it down pretty well. Here's what he had to say today in Nealz Nuze:
First of all .. how many times have you ever heard of a "reform" plan passed by the congress that actually worked? I can think of one. Welfare reform. If you can come up with another example, let me know. Don't suggest tax reform either. There have been thousands of changes in our tax laws since the last so-called "reform."
Be that as it may, to the yawns of America the intelligence bill passed the House yesterday by a margin of 336-75. It should sail through the Senate and be signed by President Bush soon. There was much celebration of its passage by the 9/11 families and others who believe it will make America safer. I doubt seriously that it will. This was a political effort, not a legislative one. The un-elected 9/11 Commission was hastily put together, and much of its time was spent in politically rather than fact-based hearings. As soon as these men and women (remember Jamie Gorelick and Richard Ben-Veniste?) issued their report the Democrats and liberal activist groups started demanding that their findings be codified into law NOW! Immediately! Not later. Not after due deliberation by the elected representatives of the people. But NOW! The left bleated to the media, and the media diligently reported concerns that any failure to pass an intelligence reform law immediately would almost certainly lead to another terrible terrorist attack on the United States.
This exercise, of course, was to show the nation that George Bush and the Republican congress really wasn't all-that-much in charge of things. The left could ramrod legislation through if necessary.
OK ... so what does this hasty legislation do?
Basically it does to intelligence gathering what the Department of Homeland Security did for national defense. It would put the budgets and assets of 15 different agencies under a new position of "National Intelligence Director." But how is simply reshuffling the bureaucracy going to really make this country safer? It probably won't. What has to be changed are the laws, and the enforcement of those laws.
Leading the opposition against the bill was House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner. He wanted a provision put in the bill to deny illegal immigrants driver's licenses and to limit the appeals of those facing deportation. The reason? The 19 hijackers on 9/11 had 60 driver's licenses among them....identification that made it very easy to do what they needed to do to carry out the attacks. So what happened to the provisions in the intelligence bill? They didn't make it. They were cut out during House-Senate negotiations. The reason was simple: Hispandering. (Pandering for the Hispanic vote.) Neither party wants to offend this increasingly powerful group of voter. Even when it comes to protecting Americans from terrorists who may cross the borders. What did I say about a politically inspired bill? And so it goes.
So this legislation will make a lot of people feel good, and will create a new government agency, but past that, not much is new here.
http://boortz.com/nuze/200412/12082004.html#cia
The intelligence bill supported by Congress and the President derives life through the dominance of political theater. The source of most recommendations was the 9/11 Commission (10 members), which included six lawyers and only three individuals with backgrounds allowing contributions on national security issues. The common thread of these commission members was many decades devoted to politics. Surely one could have found respected law enforcement, intelligence, and military people without extensive political baggage. The process was further devalued by 9/11 survivors (the dead were the victims), who chanted as the chorus in a Greek tragedy to advance the Commission’s political agenda in exchange for anointed victim status.
The centerpiece will be a security czar. The result will be high-level bureaucrats attending endless meetings and dueling with ever more elegant power point presentations. Meaningful reform would reverse the process begun by Senator Frank Church, which decimated our human intelligence forces. Also intelligence agencies would no longer be shackled by legislative branch interference unanticipated by our founding fathers and unprecedented in other nations.
On 9/11 just over 3,000 lives were lost, when 40,000 were at risk. Evidently, 10,000’s will need to die before we take seriously this looming catastrophe
Thanks for the info.
this must have been about a hundred pages...
we need a provision for laws that says, "if you can't lift it, you shouldn't pass it"
i particularly like the blank check section at the end.
teeman
"Like pygmies on the battlefield of history, we cower like whipped dogs in the face of political pressure when it comes to issues like intelligence reform," said Byrd, one of just two senators to vote against the legislation.
"It galls me that the Senate has allowed itself to be jammed against a time deadline," the West Virginia lawmaker said.
Byrd was right this time.
Saving this for myself for the ref to DoD/CIA coordination...
Inside the Ring - The Washington Times: Inside the Ring - December 17, 2004
http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm