Posted on 12/07/2004 10:17:18 PM PST by Magnum44
The bill doesn't mean diddly squat. We already have laws on the book such as the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which aren't enforced. He11, if we'd enforce what we had there would never be a need for this!
Its going to take a while to digest this. But I would say now that I would be surprised if this bill 'doesn't mean diddly' to somebody.
FYI, over the recent years the intelligence community has come under more and more Pentagon influence. In many ways that made sense because the pentagon is one of the communities biggest customers, and pays for a lot of the expensive intelligence toys that are out there. The pentagon has really pushed for more control since Desert Storm because they found the old system did not provide timely data or recon imagery. The current systems are more oriented toward the sensor-to-shooter concept and have been getting better in this sense at a rapid pace. They are a big part of what makes our military so successful in battle today.
Some would argue that 9-11 occured because the Pentagon's priorities were not focused on the elements that hit us. I am not in that camp, but its all a big game of how to distribute the billions of dollars that go into national intelligence systems.
If this bill reduces Pentagon influence on budgeting, which I think is the idea of a national director above all the agencies and customers, I hope that it is very conservative in its approach. But as I said, I haven't read it all yet.
thanks for the thread
A long read bump for the morning
Giving illegals a pass, gives terrorists the opportunity to take advantage of poor government enforcement policy and that puts American lives at risk.
This new bureaucratic behemoth, could become an albatross around the neck of law enforcement real quick.
That one opinion, and I am not trying to disagree. But I am hoping, after reading this very large bill, that we can digest what it actually does, not what it doesn't do.
I am hoping for analysis of this text above, not generalizations that we can find on several other threads. But thats just me...
Regards,
Can you imagine how boring it must be to have to draft crap like this all day for a living? And I bet they worked their little butts off in grad school to get where they are!
Hell, stuff like the following is the very definition of a wasted life (and hence, my tagline springs forth):
SEC. 310. MODIFICATION OF AUTHORITIES RELATING TO NATIONAL COUNTERINTELLIGENCE EXECUTIVE. (a) Appointment of National Counterintelligence Executive.-- Subsection (a)(2) of section 902 of the Counterintelligence Enhancement Act of 2002 (title IX of Public Law 107-306; 116 Stat. 2432; 50 U.S.C. 402b) is amended by striking ``Director of Central Intelligence'' and inserting ``National Intelligence Director, and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency''. (b) Component of Office of National Intelligence Director.--Such section is further amended-- (1) by redesignating subsections (b) and (c) as subsections (c) and (d), respectively; and (2) by inserting after subsection (a) the following new subsection (b): ``(b) Component of Office of National Intelligence Director.--The National Counterintelligence Executive is a component of the Office of the National Intelligence Director under subtitle C of the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004.''. (c) Duties.--Subsection (d) of such section, as redesignated by subsection (a)(1) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph: ``(5) To perform such other duties as may be provided under section 131(b) of the National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004.''. (d) Office of National Counterintelligence Executive.--Section 904 of the Counterintelligence Enhancement Act of 2002 (116 Stat. 2434; 50 U.S.C. 402c) is amended-- (1) by striking ``Office of the Director of Central Intelligence'' each place it appears in subsections (c) and (l)(1) and inserting ``Office of the National Intelligence Director''; (2) by striking ``Director of Central Intelligence'' each place it appears in subsections (e)(4), (e)(5), (h)(1), and (h)(2) and inserting ``National Intelligence Director''; and (3) in subsection (m), by striking ``Director of Central Intelligence'' and inserting ``National Intelligence Director, the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency''.
I am fast coming to the conclusion that this is simply a reorganization in the same vane as the Homeland Security Bill was. In my mind that is a good thing, because this happened too fast to feel good about anything more radical.
I don't see anything in it as being either exciting or alarming. I guess I would count that as fortunate.
In other words, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing. Bureaucratic deck-chair rearranging, guaranteed to cost taxpayers billions while accomplishing . . . . well, maybe nothing at all.
The way I see it, it's simply another exercise in government-parasite musical chairs - a frantic effort by D.C. lifers to pass the buck along to the next parasite while counting down the days-to-a-pension and hoping they can find a chair to sit in when the music stops and thousands more Americans are obliterated by Moo terrorists.
"Ain't my fault; I drafted/revised/proofread/approved/voted-for/signed this bill! Blame somebody else. Real sorry you lost you town, though."
Bump to review later
Bump to review later
GOOD FIND!
S.2845
Title: A bill to reform the intelligence community and the intelligence and intelligence-related activities of the United States Government, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] (introduced 9/23/2004) Cosponsors (10)
Related Bills: H.RES.827, H.RES.870, H.R.10, H.R.5150, S.2840
Latest Major Action: 12/7/2004 Conference report agreed to in House. Status: On agreeing to the conference report Agreed to by recorded vote: 336 - 75 (Roll no. 544).
Latest Conference Report: 108-796
Note: House conferees appointed: Hoekstra, Dreier, Hyde, Hunter, Sensenbrenner, Harman, Menendez, Skelton. The Government Printing Office has published the text of S. 2845 as passed Senate (the PP - "Public Print" version) and as passed House (the EAH - "Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by House" version). See "Text of Legislation" below.
Bill Status (links to Cong. Record pages, votes)
Bill Status with Amendments Committees
Related House Committee Documents
Subjects (CRS Index Terms)
Cosponsors (10)
To me who has been part of the fed complex, this points out that its all about who controls funds.
You could have just noted this is a stack of words explaining how one may appear to do something while effectively doing nothing and using nothing as an excuse to do yet more nothing with regard to immigration for yet another fiscal quarter - presumabley so the buyers of representative strings can continue to profit from illegal activity. And that would be strings on both sides of the isle. No need for Corporate America to be choosey. Dems and Pubs are the three monkeys gaurding our economy from us while the world rapes it. Gee, that would kind of make them all pimps after a fashion, wouldn't it.
"Privacy and civil liberties officers"
On a serious note, I hope everyone here will keep an eye on the illegal immigration aspect of this. If the problem gets worse rather than better and the federal government still wants to push a mandatory national ID for honest hardworking United States citizens please become angry.
On Fox and Friends program this morning Sensenbrenner just said that there is a powerful illegal alien LOBBY in the beltway, well that explains a lot.
Rep. Sensenbrenner on FoxNews this morning was saying Lieberman and Collins were the two senators who wanted the 'drivers license restrictions for illegals' removed from the bill.
What are Lieberman and Collins getting from the illegals' lobbies?
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