Posted on 12/07/2004 7:13:00 PM PST by CurlyBill
"A night of terror" is how a man described the time he spent in what is said to be one of Warwickshire's most haunted houses.
Michael Chapman was one of 10 people who spent the night at Shrieves House Barn, in Sheep Street, Stratford.
The 500-year-old building, now home to Falstaffs Experience museum, is said to be a hotbed of paranormal activity.
Mr Chapman, 48, a fine art expert from a village near Stratford, said the ancient building soon revealed its dark secrets.
Volunteers reported feeling dizzy, sick and breathless, and felt icy chills and pains.
He said one woman suffered bruising after being hit on the head by a mystery object and others watched as a picture moved to and fro on the wall.
A photo was taken which is said to show the ghost of an eight-year-old girl who wanders the medieval hallways.
Mr Chapman and his daughter Melissa, 17, were the only two people brave enough to last the whole night - but it is a night they will not forget.
"We were total sceptics. I always thought the dead will never hurt you but now I am not so sure. We felt icy cold, saw flashing lights and I could smell burning - there was a fire here once in which people died.
"I am the most level-headed person there is - but there are things in there that left me thinking perhaps there is more to this world. Even the mediums had to leave.
"I don't believe in heaven and hell but I have to say it's got me guessing. It's a very spooky place." Melissa, a student, said: "I was one of those people who thought this life is all we have - now I am open-minded about everything.
"Something was pulling and shaking me on the night and things have been happening to me since I left. I was at college and someone kicked the chair from under me but there was nobody there. I've also felt a presence at home and in the car."
Other members of the group who stayed in the house at Halloween also said strange events had happened to them afterwards.
Dave Matthews, a white witch and owner of Could It Be Magic, in Shrieves Walk, said he returned to his shop at 3am to find it icy cold. He reports hearing mysterious footsteps and seeing objects being moved around. He then felt a sharp pain in his arm and believes he was followed by an evil spirit.
Another member of the group said she returned home to find the cupboard doors in her kitchen opening and closing and the contents on the floor.
Steve Devey, who owns the museum, said: "We are astounded but not surprised at the level of unexplained paranormal activity"
Let me take the time to Ask anyone who might know whatever happened to "The Scarriest Places on Earth" television program. It was great.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
We moved to Gettysburg 4 years ago because my husband is a Civil War/military history buff. We are not "ghost people." My husband is retired from 30 years in the phone company and military, and I am a 50-year old woman who used to work for a newspaper.
Many places on the Gettysburg battlefield are rumored to be haunted. Our experience was in the Triangular Field, located behind Devil's Den (an area with huge boulders), near Little Round Top. During the battle of Gettysburg, the Triangular Field was the scene of horrific fighting and death.
Something or someone in the Triangular Field damages camera equipment. The field has been tested many times for any kind of geological disturbance, power lines, etc. and nothing shows up.
What happens: people go in the Triangular Field, especially down to the bottom of the field to a flat rock at the wood line, and your camera will stop working, batteries will die, camcorder will not work, etc. This has happened so many times it is in books, tour guides know about it, a TV crew once went there for Halloween and their equipment would not work, etc.
Our many incidents:
(1) we put new batteries in our camera the day before, took other pictures on the battlefield, and when we were in the Triangular on the flat rock at the woodline, our new batteries suddenly died. Then we went into town to buy a throwaway camera, went back to the spot where the batteries died, and took a photo. When the film was developed, it shows a mist floating over the flat rock. This is true -- we have the photo.
(2) we were taking photos in the field another time when the reel the film was wound around suddenly broke, ruining the camera. (3) my husband’s cousin from California was visiting us and heard about the haunted field. This is a 52 year old man, a fireman and the head carpenter for the National Park Service in the area where he lives. He is not a ghost person either. He took his camcorder, which he’d been using for 2 days and had owned for several years, down into the Triangular Field.
When we were all down there on the flat rock at the wood line, I said “Okay, old Civil War ghost, this is my husband’s nice cousin and we want you to do whatever he wants. If he wants his camorder broken, then go ahead and break it.” This is a true story --his camcorder broke at that moment. When he returned to California, all the film was ruined and the camcorder could not be repaired.
(4) We have photos we have taken and friends have taken, all on different cameras, of the Triangular Field area, and the photos show orbs (small and huge, bigger than a human being) and mists. My husband took two photos in sequence in the woods there, and on the first photo shows a bright orb surrounded by mist. In the second photo, my husband stepped forward and the orb and mist grow larger -- which means it was outside the camera.
I used to not believe in ghosts, but there is something to it. Now I think after a tragic death sometimes people get stuck here, cannot accept their death and move on into the afterlife.
Yes!!!!!! I remember that.... in fact, I was just talking to someone about that the other day. I printed your post that day and cut it out. It now sits in my office for all to see!
You/he are exactly right. Glad to see someone has got some wisdom.
The saints formally canonized by the Church represent those people that we know with certainty are now in heaven. The Church does not teach that these are the only people in heaven.
Not according to Mattew 18. The only thing James caveat shows is there are obviously mitigants associated with the promise that are not explicitly enumerated in the Biblical text; which is a position I wholeheartedly agree with.
Now, is there anything in the context of this statement to indicate that Jesus means that if we ask for a million bucks, they will miraculously appear in our bank accounts...
I dare say you have the shoe on the wrong foot. It would seem to me you have to prove why it wouldn't show up, even with James' expansion on the promise, with the understanding that the supplicants know they can't spend it on their own pleasure. Yes, in a manner of speaking I'm asking you to prove a negative, but I'm not contending this is a promise in the conventional sense of "I promise to give you a cookie." As I understand it, you are.
Besides, insofar as this discussion is concerned, it's irrelevant--regardless of what other authorities you or I might consider to be valid, the Scriptures are our mutually accepted source of authority, so it behooves us both to develop our comments and positions from that middle ground if we're going to have a meaningful conversation.
In this case, I must disagree. If Sola Scriptura were sufficient, we wouldn't be having this discussion as the point of contention would be non-existent. I wholeheartedly agree with the authority of Scripture. Nevertheless, I contend "rightly dividing the word" is much more problematic: certainly more so than cursory readings would indicate. That being said, I specifically disavow any gnostic overtones that might be infered.
I think for purposes of this discussion Scripture itself and common experience should suffice.
Why not point out the Scripture where Christ validates your "journey" theory instead of engaging in a ham-handed attempt to put me on the horns of a dilema?
ROFL!
I know the things that visited me were "bad". No doubt about it. That's why I got my Bible and then they left me alone.
Now, returning to the issue of Matthew 18, why should I have to prove that the money wouldn't show up? Or that it would? You've not yet demonstrated that the context makes this statement a blank check. Until you do, why should I have to defend any proposition based on the blank check theory? You're the one claiming that's what it says, not I. Prove your premise.
Now, is the believer's authority over demons absolute? No, and I never claimed it was. There are certain things that we overstep our granted authority if we order them, like trying to command a demon to the Abyss before Judgement Day (which even Jesus didn't do), or commanding them for our own pleasure instead of casting them out to reclaim ground from and tear down the strongholds of the Enemy--that would be using the name of Jesus for sorcery, which is clearly forbidden by Scripture. And as I've already pointed out, there are rules, like never trying to deliver someone who isn't a Christian or against their will. Which is why I said in my previous post that you were partly right.
But that doesn't diminish Christ's promise that all believers would have authority over demons. It just means that our authority is still subject to a higher authority, that being His.
Never said it does.
But HOW can it 'know' that they are in Heaven? (or will be)
How 'bout if Paul does?
(We sure don't want no horny problems in THIS thread....)
Kinda like Kent State was our last 'student' takeover of a campus!
Law of Identity. "A" cannot equal "non-A." There is nothing in the context to lead one to conclude the promise is anything *but* a blank check. My premises are proven by your acknowledgement it's not a blank check. Your problem is to prove all the other promises under discussion *are*. That is, that they are blanket mandates.
Well, you may be better of not knowing Jack S.
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