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FReeper Canteen ~ Part V of the Mongols ~ December 7, 2004
www.coldsiberia.org ^ | December 7, 2004 | LaDivaLoca

Posted on 12/06/2004 7:56:10 PM PST by LaDivaLoca

 
 

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Part V of The Mongols

Mongolian Bow

Because the Old Mongols lived in an environment where survival skills were always of the utmost importance, it was a matter of course that they should develop excellent tools, both civilian and military. One piece of equipment that was of great significance in war as well as in the daily life of the Mongols was their composite bow. Perhaps this bow is not quite as well-known in the West as the English longbow, which was the best bow ever to emerge in Europe.

Yet the Old Mongolian bow was incomparably superior to everything seen in the West. Not until the advent of breach-loading firearms in the 1800's was the Mongolian bow decisively surpassed as a long-range shooting tool. Still the original Mongolian bow remains a formidable tool for targeting, war or hunting, and the people around the Bajkal sea regularly used these bows for hunting at least up to the twentieth century.

Military Use

When we are talking about Mongolian bows, the first thoughts go the their military use, although hunting and target practice certainly were more prominent activities. Every day was not filled with war, but hunting and the training of skills were part of the daily routine. However, we will start with the military aspect.

In the military, each soldier carried two bows on horseback. One bow was for long-range shooting, another for shooting at close distances. Also, each soldier had two quivers with arrows for different purposes. To mention but a few of these, there were armor-piercing arrows with a particularly heavy arrowhead of tempered steel, there were incendiary arrows for setting buildings afire and spreading fear in the enemy ranks, as well as whistling arrows for signalling. Of course, the most arrows they carried were ordinary arrows where the arrowhead and length of the shaft were adjusted to the normal range at which the particular type arrow was to be used. The standard, according to James Chambers, was that each soldier should have at least sixty arrows with him or her. Yes; it merits mention once more that the strongest and most courageous Mongolian females rode along with the men and fought bravely. Also, the women who did not ordinarily participate in military activity nevertheless had to learn how to wield the bow, a necessary skill for self-defence as well as hunting.

The Construction

We are now going into the details of the Mongolian bow. As already mentioned, it was the best bow in the world, and probably still is. Even though the modern high-tech compound bows are in some ways more convenient to use and can be made equally powerful, the sheer simplicity of the Mongol composite bow with its complete indepencence of foreign equipment and complicated parts that the archer cannot easily repair or replace makes the Mongol bow on balance a superior solution. In order to show the Mongols and their extraordinary bow the proper respect, the story is mostly told in the present tense, which also serves to emphasize the salient point that these things can be done today as well.

The Mongol bow is not as large and long as the English one, but it is vastly more powerful. The draw weight of an English longbow averages around 70-80 pounds, whereas the Old Mongol bow had a pull that, according to George Vernadsky, averaged at around 166 pounds. Chambers states that the pull varied from 100 to 160 pounds. This seeming discrepancy certainly reflects the fact that draw weight varied with the strength of the user, and with what use the bow had been made for. As could be expected, there was a considerable difference in shooting range. Whereas the English longbow could shoot at distances up to 250 yards or around 228 meters, the Mongol counterpart can hit its target at 350 yards or 320 meters and, if the archer is well trained for the task, even beyond that.

There are people who claim that the Old Mongols could shoot and hit their target over truly astonishing distances. Gongor Lhagvasuren, Deputy Director at the Mongolian National Institute of Physical Education, has written an article called "The stele of Chinggis Khan." There, Lhagvasuren refers to an ancient inscription on a stone found in the basin of the river Kharkiraa, a left tributary of Urlengui river which flows into the trans-Bajkal river Erdene. The text of the inscription, supposedly dated from 1226, may be interpreted as follows: "While Chinggis Khan was holding an assembly of Mongolian dignitaries, after his conquest of Sartaul (East Turkestan), Esungge shot a target at 335 alds" (536m). Lhagvasuren draws the conclusion in his article that such feats were rather common for Mongolian archers during the 1200's, and writes: "This case illustrates the strength, accuracy and sharpness, physical prowess of the Mongolians who lived more than 700 years ago." Whether or not we find it likely that Mongolian archers could regularly hit their targets at the distances Lhagvasuren claims they could, there is no question that they and their and bows are outstanding in all of archery's history.

When we take a closer look at the Mongolian bow, we see that it is an intriguing construction indeed. The backbone of the bow is a wooden frame, which will typically be birch, because that wood is resilient and is also readily available. The total length of the frame is 150-160 cm. When the bow is unstrung, it looks like a semi-circle with a beautifully curvaceous shape, but when a string is attached the whole thing is stretched out so that its limbs are bent inward. Even so, these limbs with string attachments are bent slighly away from the archer, forming a double curve. It is this double curve that delivers explosive acceleration and awesome velocity to the arrow. From these limbs or bends of the bow behind the string attachments where the impact is greatest, the frame is covered with elongated and flattened pieces of mountain sheep's (or other wild or domesticated ungulate's) horn or/and bone which adds snapping power to the resilient wood in the frame. These hard parts form a layer that covers the whole area of the so-called belly, which is the part between the grip and the limbs. Chambers describes how the back parts of the bow, nearest the archer, were those covered with horn and/or bone while the sinew layer was applied to the outer side.

The reader will have noticed that I use the term horn and/or bone. This is because the precise details of how the bows were built could vary over the Siberian area, although the main features are clear. The bone elements, when added, are no more than a small part at the center of the bow, and may originally have served mainly ornamental and possibly magical purposes.

source: http://www.coldsiberia.org/monbow.htm

Next Tuesday Part VI of The Mongols




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To: Brad's Gramma; MS.BEHAVIN; All

Kenny Rogers & Dolly Parton ~ The Greatest Gift of All

101 posted on 12/06/2004 11:07:21 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (Support Our Troops! Operation Valentine's Day www.proudpatriots.com)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Grammie and friends.....#100!!


102 posted on 12/06/2004 11:09:35 PM PST by Kathy in Alaska (Support Our Troops! Operation Valentine's Day www.proudpatriots.com)
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To: Brad's Gramma; tomkow6

Didja get yer meds mixed up again Grammie?
Add a little shot to the eggnog..hmmm?
Yer talkin' to yerself, woman!
Tom, Grammie's talkin to herself!
Ms.B


103 posted on 12/06/2004 11:12:52 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Spam filleted and gently sauted in the finest lard?No. :-)
104 posted on 12/06/2004 11:14:03 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: Valin

Yikes!
Heartburn special!
Yarrghh!!!
Ms.B


105 posted on 12/06/2004 11:18:20 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: Valin

TURKEY!


106 posted on 12/06/2004 11:22:21 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

WHAT egg nog?

You can't prove anything. No. You can't, can you? I don't see any egg nog, do you? No. Not here.

FRmail in a sec! :)


107 posted on 12/06/2004 11:23:00 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Aw..
I'm just funnin' with ya, Grammie!
I loves ya, I do!
Ms.B


108 posted on 12/06/2004 11:25:06 PM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

I know ya do, MS.B, and the feeling's mutual. :)

GOOD NIGHT, everyone! I'm OUTTA here for the night.

THANKS Troops! We all love you and pray for you...daily!!!


109 posted on 12/06/2004 11:27:52 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: judywillow

I've been riding horses a long time...
Never bothered me...
I of course,have not had occasion to ride them into battle...
Or for months/years at a time...
I can pull a 40 lb bow....
It hangs proudly over my fireplace...
This woman is Acadian/Native American....
Maybe I am missing your point...
What's the issue?
Historical?
Ms.B


110 posted on 12/07/2004 12:09:33 AM PST by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Good morning, Tonk. How's it going?

And a very pleasant good morning to everyone at the Canteen and to all our military at home and abroad. Thanks for your service for our country.

111 posted on 12/07/2004 3:05:59 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT!!!!!!


112 posted on 12/07/2004 3:06:29 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: LaDivaLoca

((HUGS))Good morning, Diva. How's it going?


113 posted on 12/07/2004 3:06:55 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: judywillow
I am reminded that our cousin, Tyonajanegen "Two Kettles Together", went with other Iriquois warriors to various battles in the War of 1812. She also served as their cook.

The Americans (hey, that's us) have this one-dollar coin that bears the picture of a pregnant teenage girl, Sacajawea, who accompanied our other cousins, Lewis and Clark, on an epic long march.

These things are not for your general run of women, but for some they are truly possible.

114 posted on 12/07/2004 3:30:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

To use a bow effectively you have to be able to pull it easily enough to aim it; it has to be steadied on a target before released.

Most grown men cannot use a 70-lb bow. Most American hunting bow manufaturers don't even make anything over 70-lbs other than special order. Most English longbows were 70 or 80 lbs and you can be sure that English yeamen were at least as large and strong as Mongols.

The claim in this article that Mongols all used 160-lb bows is basically a flight of fancy.



115 posted on 12/07/2004 4:15:28 AM PST by judywillow
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To: LaDivaLoca; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 2LT Radix jr; Radix; Severa; Bethbg79; southerngrit; ...

 

SALUTE!

 


116 posted on 12/07/2004 4:25:22 AM PST by tomkow6 (....................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.)
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To: LaDivaLoca; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 2LT Radix jr; Radix; Severa; Bethbg79; southerngrit; ...

Good morning, LaDiva! Good morning, Canteen Crew! Good morning, EVERYBODY!

GOOD
 

MORNING

TROOPS!



117 posted on 12/07/2004 4:26:34 AM PST by tomkow6 (....................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.)
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To: LaDivaLoca; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 2LT Radix jr; Radix; Severa; Bethbg79; southerngrit; ...

 

Today's FEEBLE

YOKE :

A very new and nervous school inspector was being shown 'round a very rough school.

Just as the tour of inspection was coming to an end, the principal asked him if he'd mind saying a few words of advice to a class of unruly 16 year olds, who were going to leave school at the end of term.

The principal managed to get the kids to be quiet, introduced them to the inspector and told them that he was going to say a few words to them.

The poor man was totally nonplussed by the sight of unwelcoming faces staring at him, but he took a deep breath and began: "When y-y-y-you were in-in-infants I'm sure you enjoyed your in-in-infancy."

"As ch-ch-children I'm sure you enjoyed y-y-y-your ch-ch-childhood."

"I c-c-c-can see that you are enjoying your a-a-a-a-adolescence and I h-h-hope that w-w-when you leave school and become adults, you will enjoy your adultery."

118 posted on 12/07/2004 4:27:13 AM PST by tomkow6 (....................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.)
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To: LaDivaLoca; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; 2LT Radix jr; Radix; Severa; Bethbg79; southerngrit; ...

 

Chicagoland Weather

December 07, 2004
Chicago, IL
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119 posted on 12/07/2004 4:28:25 AM PST by tomkow6 (....................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.......................Xmas gifts?.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; StarCMC; Kathy in Alaska; bentfeather; MoJo2001; tomkow6; HiJinx; ...
Greetings, Canteeners,
FReepers, Troops,
and All the Ships at Sea!

And here's the dawn report for Day Nine of Sarge's Most Excellent Adventure! After a hearty breakfast of coffee and computer, Sarge will head in to The Haunted Armory.

We got part of our map load yesterday. We get to see the first look at our new AO. Right from the get-go, Sarge went to work on the maps - meticulous stuff...

Our other full-timers are busy prepping things for the SRP, and there will probably be a VTC with our new partners, before we meet up at mob-station. About half of the kids are either off at school, or have been on missions before, like me. Which means, we're already prepared to go someplace; it'll cut down on the workload.

Oh, and one funny note? Sarge did pretty well at the TA-50 shakedown this last drill. Sarge only owed the government $3.92 (for a lost pair of suspenders). Not bad for an old guy who forgets stuff, right?

Sarge will be in the area all day, so Let's Have Fun!

SARGE

DISCLAIMER: If you wish to be on/off Sarge's Canteen Daily Report, FReepmail with details!

120 posted on 12/07/2004 4:48:55 AM PST by Old Sarge (In for a penny, in for a pound, saddlin' up and Baghdad-bound!)
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