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Inventing a Crisis
NY Times | Dec 7, 2004 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 12/06/2004 7:08:50 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Social Security is strong, not in danger...

Developing...


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1 posted on 12/06/2004 7:08:50 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Exactly what Muddy Harry Reid said yesterday.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 7:10:11 PM PST by Loyal Buckeye ((Kerry is a flake))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I can HARDLY WAIT to read what Krugman has to say about this. *Rolleyes*


3 posted on 12/06/2004 7:10:18 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

krugman=ted baxter
no intelligent life forms there


4 posted on 12/06/2004 7:14:50 PM PST by italianquaker (CATHOLIC AND I VOTE BUSH=MANDATE)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Paul Krugman, ace economist, will probably explain that the US gov't can actually (wait for it) print money and therefore will easily be able to produce the funds needed for all social security payments.
5 posted on 12/06/2004 7:18:36 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: italianquaker

And here is some breaking news, You have something on your tooth!


6 posted on 12/06/2004 7:18:54 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Privatizing Social Security - replacing the current system, in whole or in part, with personal investment accounts - won't do anything to strengthen the system's finances. If anything, it will make things worse. Nonetheless, the politics of privatization depend crucially on convincing the public that the system is in imminent danger of collapse, that we must destroy Social Security in order to save it..."


7 posted on 12/06/2004 7:21:55 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
That's funny, starting way back in the Clinton administration the annual "statement" mailed automatically around our birthdays at who knows how much cost to the system warns us EVERY YEAR that the benefits are far from being a sure thing. What does Krugman know that the SocSecurity Agency does not?
8 posted on 12/06/2004 7:24:36 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Well, when I saw it was in the Times I figured it'd be another mindless, tendentious screed, but whoa - Paul Krugman? Mister Gravitas? Can't wait to miss this one.
9 posted on 12/06/2004 7:25:33 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

"Social Security is perfectly solvent. It will be there for generations."

10 posted on 12/06/2004 7:29:52 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Can't remember what show I heard it on, but the gentleman was saying that even in communist China, urban workers can privatize 1/2 of their social security. Why won't the rats here go for it?


11 posted on 12/06/2004 7:30:09 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Privatizing Social Security - replacing the current system, in whole or in part, with personal investment accounts - won't do anything to strengthen the system's finances. If anything, it will make things worse. Nonetheless, the politics of privatization depend crucially on convincing the public that the system is in imminent danger of collapse, that we must destroy Social Security in order to save it.

I'll have a lot to say about all this when I return on my regular schedule in January. But right now it seems important to take a break from my break, and debunk the hype about a Social Security crisis.

There's nothing strange or mysterious about how Social Security works: it's just a government program supported by a dedicated tax on payroll earnings, just as highway maintenance is supported by a dedicated tax on gasoline.

Right now the revenues from the payroll tax exceed the amount paid out in benefits. This is deliberate, the result of a payroll tax increase - recommended by none other than Alan Greenspan - two decades ago. His justification at the time for raising a tax that falls mainly on lower- and middle-income families, even though Ronald Reagan had just cut the taxes that fall mainly on the very well-off, was that the extra revenue was needed to build up a trust fund. This could be drawn on to pay benefits once the baby boomers began to retire.

The grain of truth in claims of a Social Security crisis is that this tax increase wasn't quite big enough. Projections in a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office (which are probably more realistic than the very cautious projections of the Social Security Administration) say that the trust fund will run out in 2052. The system won't become "bankrupt" at that point; even after the trust fund is gone, Social Security revenues will cover 81 percent of the promised benefits. Still, there is a long-run financing problem.

But it's a problem of modest size. The report finds that extending the life of the trust fund into the 22nd century, with no change in benefits, would require additional revenues equal to only 0.54 percent of G.D.P. That's less than 3 percent of federal spending - less than we're currently spending in Iraq. And it's only about one-quarter of the revenue lost each year because of President Bush's tax cuts - roughly equal to the fraction of those cuts that goes to people with incomes over $500,000 a year.

Given these numbers, it's not at all hard to come up with fiscal packages that would secure the retirement program, with no major changes, for generations to come.

It's true that the federal government as a whole faces a very large financial shortfall. That shortfall, however, has much more to do with tax cuts - cuts that Mr. Bush nonetheless insists on making permanent - than it does with Social Security.

But since the politics of privatization depend on convincing the public that there is a Social Security crisis, the privatizers have done their best to invent one.

My favorite example of their three-card-monte logic goes like this: first, they insist that the Social Security system's current surplus and the trust fund it has been accumulating with that surplus are meaningless. Social Security, they say, isn't really an independent entity - it's just part of the federal government.

If the trust fund is meaningless, by the way, that Greenspan-sponsored tax increase in the 1980's was nothing but an exercise in class warfare: taxes on working-class Americans went up, taxes on the affluent went down, and the workers have nothing to show for their sacrifice.

But never mind: the same people who claim that Social Security isn't an independent entity when it runs surpluses also insist that late next decade, when the benefit payments start to exceed the payroll tax receipts, this will represent a crisis - you see, Social Security has its own dedicated financing, and therefore must stand on its own.

There's no honest way anyone can hold both these positions, but very little about the privatizers' position is honest. They come to bury Social Security, not to save it. They aren't sincerely concerned about the possibility that the system will someday fail; they're disturbed by the system's historic success.

For Social Security is a government program that works, a demonstration that a modest amount of taxing and spending can make people's lives better and more secure. And that's why the right wants to destroy it.

12 posted on 12/06/2004 7:30:28 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Yeah, right.


13 posted on 12/06/2004 7:48:42 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I thought our pal Paul was working on an economics textbook.


14 posted on 12/06/2004 7:57:38 PM PST by RegT
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" Projections in a recent report by the Congressional Budget Office (which are probably more realistic than the very cautious projections of the Social Security Administration) say that the trust fund will run out in 2052. "

This is incorrect. It assumes that the surpluses removed from Social Security are replenished (because Congress writes an IOU every year) and are therefore still within the "trust fund". The surpluses have been applied to the general fund every year and not a single dollar has been paid back since this began decades ago. The correct projected budget for SS according to the CBO (which is more realistic than the SSA) is that SS will start operating at a deficit within 15-20 years.

Assuming this is off-budget (if it's truly a "trust fund"), then deficits will necessarily result in either decreased benefits to recipients or a need for increased revenues to the program, or both. I don't care to make a judgment on whether this is a "crisis" or not but the impending deficits are inevitable.
15 posted on 12/06/2004 8:00:29 PM PST by spinestein (I'm ready.......I'm ready......I'm ready.......I'm ready.......--- S. Squarepants)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This quote is from "The Outlook for Social Security - Summary" June 2004.

"At the same time, the federal revenues dedicated to Social Security will remain close to their current level--about 5 percent of GDP--in the absence of changes to the program. Thus, annual outlays for Social Security are projected to exceed revenues beginning in 2019. Even if spending ends up being lower than expected and revenues higher than expected, a gap between the two is likely to remain for the indefinite future."

See http://cbo.gov/ "The Outlook for Social Security"


16 posted on 12/06/2004 8:13:19 PM PST by spinestein (I'm ready.......I'm ready......I'm ready.......I'm ready.......--- S. Squarepants)
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He's almost right. There's nothing wrong with SS itself, it's just that minor detail of how to pay for it.


17 posted on 12/06/2004 8:17:30 PM PST by polyester~monkey (4 Senate seats, 4 House Seats, and 52% of the popular vote: AMERICA HAS SPOKEN)
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TANSTAAFL !

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18 posted on 12/06/2004 8:30:03 PM PST by spinestein
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To: ClearCase_guy

Gonna take the money out of Al's "lock box". Thats the ticket!


19 posted on 12/06/2004 8:34:18 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

As long as Republicans, women, minorities, seniors and the environment are in peril.


20 posted on 12/06/2004 8:36:30 PM PST by Guillermo ("But they're European cut vinyl pirate pants" - Rudy Canosa)
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