Death of the environmental movement?

SignOnSanDiego ^ | 12/05/04

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Dirt worshipers.

[JennysCool]

Amazing that the '60s geeks don't realize that society is not a stagnant thing -- it moves on. Placing the priorities of the '60s at the top of the '00s agenda is as ridiculous as placing the priorities of the '20s at the top of the '60s agenda. The '60s generation must come to grips with what every generation must face: YOU'RE OLD. YOU'RE IRRELEVANT. GO AWAY.

[GreenFreeper]

There are no true environmentalist. Sorry I have to disagree here. There are a lot of sane environmentally minded people-- hopefully myself included. Who wouldn't support clean water, clean air, wilderness areas, etc? You don't have to be an environmentalist to refrain from dumping arsenic in your backyard. I think the key to promoting sustainability is ownership. People don't destroy what is theirs (unless it is given to them, ie housing projects). The environmental/elitists disconnect themselves from the issues at hand. Environmentalism is a self-interest idea. I want clean water so I can eat the fish I catch, I want a healthy forest so I can hunt deer, I want healthy wetlands so I can continue to hunt waterfowl.

[TChris]

If environmentalists had simply been reasoned voices for moderation and responsibility in the use of natural resources, they would likely have been far better received. It's their penchant for hyperbole, deception, flat-out lying and violent attacks on others that have "killed" the movement -- if, in fact, it is happening at all.

Like constipation, some movements bring tremendous relief when they are past (passed).

[Post Toasties]

Among other things the environmentalists are getting wrong is their statist coercive approach toward energy conservation which penalizes the end user and hurts the economy.

Much better would be one that emphasizes technological R&D (e.g.: developing better batteries, more efficient solar cells) to improve the efficiency of products that are also competitive in the marketplace, and to promote a move toward safe nuclear power generation (which the greenies have been obstructing for decades) that would go a long way toward freeing the US from foreign oil dependence.

[GVnana]

Environmentalists have no clear, constructive agenda. They're a lost cause until they do.

[Grampa Dave]

The Watermelon Jihadist Terrorists ain't dead yet.

They are starting to suffer cash flow problems. Former Sierra Club, goose stepping vineyard owners in Napa county got their moderate land owners elected this year. They threw out the Green Jihadist anti property owners Director and his Druid Jihadists. They recently led a successful prop campaign against a terrible Druid prop that would have made drainage areas sacred green sites and the season flows into the drainage areas.

The biggest friend of the Druid Jihadists, the left wing mediots of the MSM are losing their war of survival. When the MSM loses subscribers or viewers, their pro Green Terrorism slants become less effective.

We will see more changes legislative wise in congress and state legislators where republicans control the legislature.

The Druids will still cause damage with their Druid Judges at the state and federal level.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

[SierraWasp]

"...the air is cleaner now than at any time since the industrial revolution. In the big cities it may be cleaner now than ever PERIOD."

But, as you know, that's still not enough to make them happy!

They won't be happy till the air and water is STERILE!!!

(and then they'll bich because that's not healthy)

[Old Professer]

The cadre of charismatic leaders that inspired and drove the movement in its early years and through the great successes of the 70s have slowed down and settled into a noisy, but less-effective presence mainly in the courtroom; after all, it's darn hard to monkey wrench clear-cutting in a national forest from a wheelchair.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!!

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Long as the environmental movement is driven by elitists, nature worshipers, and true believers, irrationality will reign on sound environmental care.

Who made sure that there would be plenty of bug killed woodlands because they didn't want the FS to treat the outbreaks? Some forests like the Dixie NF have big areas that are mostly dead.

Who made sure that forest fires would burn hot and scorch the earth beyond the normal for that type of forest because they thought someone might take a stick of wood out?

The current environmentalist legacy: Habitat evidence doctored, bad science claimed as truth, pushing so hard that people don't want to believe their good evidence just out of reflex...and huge amounts of wasted good US taxpayer's money has been spent to deal with the constant court battles.

And let's not forget that the enviromental movement has its own terrorist wing with Earth First and ELF.

There are rational people out there who understand the compromise between use and preservation. There is scientific data that helps people restore the land and keep it in good shape.

Many times, though, the environmentalists have made it impossible to work, allowing noxious weed infiltration , for example, while they dicker out the right to treat the problem in court.

You want to protect the enviroment in good ways? Learn for real about ecology, and the concepts of synergy. Find groups that are actually rationally doing it the right way, like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Pheasants Forever, the Nature Conservancy.

Stay away from the Sierra Club!

[TXnMA]

Hopeful words -- where does one go to contribute to the tombstone fund?

[KC_for_Freedom]

You want to protect the enviroment in good ways? Learn for real about ecology, and the concepts of synergy. Find groups that are actually rationally doing it the right way, like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Pheasants Forever, the Nature Conservancy.

Another way, read Natural Process by fellow freeper Carry_Okie

[Carry_Okie]

Sorry, but the Nature Conservancy is turning into a land racketeering scam. They do a piss poor job of managing their rangeland.

[Carry_Okie]

Sorry, KC, post 37 was for KAC.

[AuntB]

Remember Trey Arrow, the ELF, Oregon terrorist? I hear he's in Canada and they are not giving him his wish to not be extradited to the states for trial.

[usurper]

It also should champion massive investments in the creation of new alternative-energy industries.

Rather than just championing massive investment (someone else’s money), perhaps they could offer their millions to actually help develop alterative energy sources.

But no, such development could cause pollution or even (scary) environmental damage so they would rather sit back and throw rocks.