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Death of the environmental movement?
SignOnSanDiego ^ | 12/05/04

Posted on 12/06/2004 7:24:40 AM PST by ZGuy

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"Given the human misery wrought by this massive, affluent, parasitic and completely irrational industry we could wish it was terminal. All that we can hope is that it expires before killing its host." -- Steve Milloy
1 posted on 12/06/2004 7:24:42 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Environmentalists are socialists with a green patina. They believe the land should be managed by the state and the peasants should kept at a distance. Kind of an updated version of the medieval King's Lands.


2 posted on 12/06/2004 7:27:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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'Environmentalism' is not a tradition, but a religion.

And a false one at that!


3 posted on 12/06/2004 7:32:28 AM PST by headsonpikes (Another five-fingered Canadian... ;^))
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If it was up to me it would have been aborted before it was born. Do you know how much these guys have cost us?

We probably did need some changes because of air quality but they pushed it way too far.

4 posted on 12/06/2004 7:32:39 AM PST by tiki (Won one against the Flipper)
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After a string of stunning successes, today's environmentalism seems stalled. "Over the last 15 years environmental foundations and organizations have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into combating global warming.

If they would stick to real environmentalism instead of grossly exagerated ones they might make some progress.

5 posted on 12/06/2004 7:34:03 AM PST by Always Right
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To: ZGuy
Nice quote. Like communism, environmentalism sounds good, but in reality it is very bad.
6 posted on 12/06/2004 7:34:24 AM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist")
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'Environmentalism' is not a tradition, but a religion. And a false one at that!

Absolutely so...and the sooner, the better. We as a nation are pissing away energy and capital chasing environmental phantom and fantasy devils...devils that do not exist.

8 posted on 12/06/2004 7:36:46 AM PST by stboz
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Gaia worship is a set of pagan beliefs centered around the worship of Mother Nature and the corollary that human exploitation of the planet for man's benefit is a capital crime. You deviate from this environmental pseudo-religion, you're a heretic.


9 posted on 12/06/2004 7:36:47 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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It's not accidental that many of the initial claims supporting the authority of the state to 'manage' private property for environmental reasons comes from feudal game laws.

'Yes milord, I shall not fill in my wetlands lest his Lordship's fowl be discommoded.'

10 posted on 12/06/2004 7:39:22 AM PST by pierrem15
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The real environmentalists are landowners, farmers, scientists, and outdoorsmen. The people from the Sierra Club and other left-wing groups just want to suck our tax dollars dry and force other people to live in conditions that cannot sustain a comfortable lifestyle.


11 posted on 12/06/2004 7:39:45 AM PST by No-Compromise Conservative
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To: tiki

If these people really cared, they would put their funds into new technology. To use less oil and to extract more of our own oil should be their real cause.

There are plenty of 'old' oil fields and ways to open new fields that will help make American life more secure, and protect the environment.

Right now, they seem to have been a one note concerto. Very irritating.


14 posted on 12/06/2004 7:47:11 AM PST by wizr (Love. Take some, pass it on. John 3:16)
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To: goldstategop

Watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside....


15 posted on 12/06/2004 7:47:45 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Ack. You beat me to the punch line.


16 posted on 12/06/2004 7:49:04 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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"Our thesis is this: the environmental community's narrow definition of its self-interest leads to a kind of policy literalism that undermines its power."

I come into contact with environmental activists pretty often. I've been at hearings where 10 people in the audience are wearing gas masks. I've been in stake holder's meetings where the debate got so shrill that meeting was adjourned.

Environmentalists lost their focus somewhere around 1980. Prior to that, ranchers, farmers, hunters, etc. often worked closely with environmentalists. Their "reality-based" support dropped out when extremists offered a vision of zero human impacts - an impossible goal.

When those extremists teamed up with PETA, Greenpeace, Earth First, ELF and others, the cause was lost. People do believe that children have more value than a dog. People won't pay to support a habitat they are forbidden to enter. People really don't want a third world lifestyle.

And by the way - the air is cleaner now than at any time since the industrial revolution. In the big cities it may be cleaner now than ever PERIOD.

17 posted on 12/06/2004 7:54:03 AM PST by Gingersnap
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To: No-Compromise Conservative

I served on the executive committee for my local Sierra Club chapter. I had hoped to induce some change. I lasted about 2 months before I resigned. The Sierra Club is elitism/liberalism at its best-- "the general public is too ignorant to make smart-sustainable choices, we (the Sierra Club) need to push them in the right direction."-- paraphrased quote from one of the board meetings i attended.


19 posted on 12/06/2004 7:54:30 AM PST by GreenFreeper
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To: ZGuy; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; marsh2; farmfriend; ...
"Death of the EnvironMental movement?"

Good! I will die happy if I can first dance on it's worthless "Born Again Pagan" grave!!!

20 posted on 12/06/2004 7:59:59 AM PST by SierraWasp (Ronald Reagan was an exceptional "celebrity!" Jesse Ventura & Arnold Schwarzenrenegger are NOT!!!)
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